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PokerStars' All-In Cashout Feature Goes Live: Could Have a Significant Impact on the Game PokerStars' All-In Cashout Feature Goes Live: Could Have a Significant Impact on the Game

09-25-2019 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by almony
easy to say when you don't run 20 buy ins under ev only this month. plus loosing 85% ev pots twice in a row.
You should play stakes you can take hits and stop moaning about some ban runs. And zero chance you are losing 85% of the rit pots you are ahead. I believe ev means that right?
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09-25-2019 , 03:21 PM
play more vs me, guaranteed youll eventually run above ev
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09-25-2019 , 04:31 PM
-9,2 bi under EV in 1500 hands

not gonna lie "maybe cashout isnt all that bad" thoughts are racing in my mind
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09-25-2019 , 10:58 PM
Does the EV account for folded up cards in stud games?
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09-25-2019 , 11:28 PM
In case you are serious, this feature is not available in stud games.
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09-26-2019 , 05:45 PM
everyone is so afraid of downswings. but how you gonna catch that sweet heater when cashing out
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09-26-2019 , 05:57 PM
If you are in a loose NLH game, have a pocket pair in the small blind, everyone folds to you, and you move in and get called by AK, its a pretty easy decision, don't you think?
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09-27-2019 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
If you are in a loose NLH game, have a pocket pair in the small blind, everyone folds to you, and you move in and get called by AK, its a pretty easy decision, don't you think?
hi Paisting
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09-27-2019 , 02:20 PM
Gotta say I love it when a fish takes the cashout with his 7% equlity on the flop and the board runs the nuts for him. Today I allso witnessed a situation where player took the cashout ak vs ak allin preflop. This is way more popular than I would have ever imagined. Stars made a golden goose for them.
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09-27-2019 , 06:25 PM
An insurance that doesn't cover the splits would be better.
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09-27-2019 , 11:46 PM
Latest version of HM3 is now working with cashout hands.
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09-28-2019 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
If you are in a loose NLH game, have a pocket pair in the small blind, everyone folds to you, and you move in and get called by AK, its a pretty easy decision, don't you think?
You're probably correct, but the situation as described is highly unlikely to occur (or if it does it will be for the "wrong" reasons eg a waitress turning up after a long absence).
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09-28-2019 , 05:51 AM
tons of people using cashout including regs.
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09-28-2019 , 02:01 PM
Should be rake-free when one cash outs preflop.
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09-28-2019 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bc11816
tons of people using cashout including regs.
Cashout is a gambling game in itself, just like trying to guess red or black on Roulette. Most tilting thing in world when goes against you though so i don't do it anymore. Very clever and well implemented by stars to be fair.
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09-29-2019 , 09:31 AM
Another hidden rake increase. It's over.
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09-29-2019 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by drezyna
Another hidden rake increase. It's over.
Well you can opt out from the feature so it really isn't.
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09-29-2019 , 10:12 AM
Me doesn't matter. I am done. What matters is that bunch of players are happy to donate more money. Todays rake without rb and with hidden costs (cashout, exchange rates, etc) makes poker unplayable if player's goal is to make money.
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09-29-2019 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by drezyna
Todays rake without rb and with hidden costs (cashout, exchange rates, etc) makes poker unplayable if player's goal is to make money.
It does not. And there are sites like gg that gives you more than 50% back so you can't moan about that either.
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10-02-2019 , 09:40 AM
The same site that supposedly bans winning players?
Welcome to 2019. Stars is no longer biggest site. It focuses on quasi-poker fast foldem and doesn't allow customers to play more than 4 tables of real poker. On the top of that rake has never been higher.
RB sites are either shady or offer only anonymous tables which isn't even quasi-poker like fast foldem.
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10-02-2019 , 06:43 PM
1. Not insuring a hand that rarely loses (splits not counted) is a 200 bb blunder when moving up. The reason is that one gets the whole pot even when one insures; the only way to lose is not to insure it. The higher the edge, the longer one needs to keep insuring it.

2. One can insure the flips but when one has been winning or has been there long enough to have demonstrated one can survive with insurance and one can afford to lose.

3. The multiway pots are virtually always best to be insured when moving up.

4. Insuring to save 1/3rd of the stack isn't enough for me.
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10-03-2019 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Andro
So, essentially just a way to increase rake.

More rake is better!
yea for the sites
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10-03-2019 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by drezyna
The same site that supposedly bans winning players?
Welcome to 2019. Stars is no longer biggest site. It focuses on quasi-poker fast foldem and doesn't allow customers to play more than 4 tables of real poker. On the top of that rake has never been higher.
RB sites are either shady or offer only anonymous tables which isn't even quasi-poker like fast foldem.
Based on your posts you have nothing to worry about getting banned. And rb sites are neither of those things. You can get 30+ deals to mpn (closing in 6-8 months though) and ipoker. Both sites you can play your regular games. Stop making excuses that rake is the sole killer of the game. And stars is the biggest site out there if you don't include the idn that offers games to asian players only.
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10-04-2019 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinkmann
This has been done plenty in the past and you dont need an allin cashout feature to do it.

I believe years ago there were players colluding at MS plo and ran super hot in allin EV because of card sharing.
The scenarios you'd encounter where this would be a benefit specifically in terms of all in ev would be far, far fewer. You'd need to be in a situation where the decision between getting stacks in and not getting stacks in is clinched by the differences in equity, which is going to be a small subset of hands that you get your stacks in with.

By comparison, this insurance is something that can be passively benefited from simply by playing completely normally but only opting in when the equity is favorable (for more than the insurance rake) which would be pretty often. It doesn't require any form of active collusion in terms of how you play the hand.

I'm not saying it's advisable but i am skeptical that stars would be able to spot it if it was done discretely.
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10-18-2019 , 03:29 PM
Let me say beforehand that I haven't read anything in this thread.
But just my two cents :

I have lost five 90%+ river spots on RESUME in a row.

Yeah, I want to resume so HM2 registers the hand properly. If you cashout it registers as a loss so u have to manually delete the hand.

I'm not saying anything, but It's BETTER for stars if u cashout, U win less money. They keep more for themselves. And now with 5 in a row 90%+ river spots loss... You know, it gets you thinking. Maybe they actually want you to cashout so u don't get ****ed?

The site has changed for so much worse over the years, for the first time im actually thinking about giving other site a shot.

Talk **** about this post. All I know is I'm 5 buyins down to one/two/three outers on the river in a row after pressing resume. During a ****ing 20 BI EV downswing this month. I'm pissed.
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