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PokerNews Considers Legal Action against UB and Tiffany Michelle!! PokerNews Considers Legal Action against UB and Tiffany Michelle!!

07-15-2008 , 04:03 AM
So basically pokernews thinks of her as some kind of asset they own and wanted a piece of any action they got. So what if she parlayed this into a little money on the side. And if the contract does indeed contain 'loopholes,' they've got no case.
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07-15-2008 , 04:07 AM
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Why didn't PokerNews distance themselves sooner, and not instead issued the (previous) supporting PR's about her while she was still in the running?
One possible explanation is that they still wanted her to do well and didn't want to have this hanging over her while she was still playing. I don't know, but a possibility.

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the Pokernews contract was too loose (that's then Pokernews's problem for bad drafting)
So if you morally screw someone, it's their fault for not crossing the t's and dotting the i's in every single spot that legally prevents you from screwing them.

Welcome to America !

Legal technicalities aside, how could you possibly not know that it's wrong to negotiate a sponsorship with someone else without even telling the people who originally sponsored you
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07-15-2008 , 04:08 AM
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Legal technicalities aside, how could you possibly not know that it's wrong to negotiate a sponsorship with someone else without even telling the people who originally sponsored you
Bad upbringing? The stupidity of youth? Who's to say. But I do agree with you that it's not a right thing to not dance with the guy who brought you to the dance in the first place, but instead go off and mess around with another guy instead.
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07-15-2008 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonified
it's wrong to negotiate a sponsorship with someone else without even telling the people who originally sponsored you
pokernews did not pay her way into this event

they are way to cheap

they gave her time off to play in it

that is all they did
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07-15-2008 , 04:13 AM
bah i can tell why she didnt make it to the FT, she was under a lot of stress and unconsciously just wanted to be free
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07-15-2008 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Hall
This makes no sense to me. Pokernews is a poker news site / portal promoting multiple poker rooms and UB is a specific poker room. UB issues (and whether she should be repping them) aside, without seeing the specific contracts, they are two very different entities. As pointed out earlier in the thread the UB patch has been there for sometime and either the Pokernews contract was too loose (that's then Pokernews's problem for bad drafting) or the contract has been breached and Pokernews can sue. Though you would have to ask, sue for what? How would you quantify damages and also I think this would backfire into a PR disaster and in about 3 weeks time nobody will care anyway.

Having spent a few weeks at WSOP recently and having reviewed various commercial proposals floationg around promoted by so-called agents / representatives etc, from first hand experience I am guessing (and only guessing) that the contract enabled her to promote UB, so if she managed to make a few extra dollars, UB moral issues aside again, then good on her.
OHHHHH **** its tom hall
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07-15-2008 , 04:14 AM
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As a company that truly believes in this industry and in the importance of supporting aspiring poker players, PokerNews sponsored her
Pokerstars
into several buy-in events at this year's World Series including the Main Event, enabling Tiffany to showcase her irrefutable talent and flair on the felt.
What part of that isn't clear ?
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07-15-2008 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CincyLady
it's not a right thing to not dance with the guy who brought you to the dance in the first place,
again, he did not bring her to the dance,
did not pay her way ,
did not buy her dress
did not pay for the corsage,
did not pay for her limo ,
he might of bought her a drink
but she doesnt have to bang him now
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07-15-2008 , 04:16 AM
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07-15-2008 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroBalla
pokernews did not pay her way into this event

they are way to cheap

they gave her time off to play in it

that is all they did
You sound pretty convincing with the bold letters and all.

I have to ask...how do you know this?
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07-15-2008 , 04:18 AM
Me thinks this is going to be very nasty.
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07-15-2008 , 04:21 AM
UB came up with this scheme that they were going to recruit as many as they could at this years WSOP in order to get as much publicity as they could. They are on some kind of fairytale PR reinvention campaign. Just like with Bax and Rizen, they are going after whoever they can sucker in. It reminds me of the hawks waiting at the airports in resort towns trying to lure tourists into timeshare seminars with the promise of free junk. It's a scam based on greed of the pigeon. Wine 'em, Dine 'em, and Sign' em! Get what you can from them, then cut them loose.

You got this UB army BS, with General Helmuth leading the lambs to their Ultimate shearing. Annie Duke, seeing herself as some poker revolutionary with oily hair and olive drab field jacket and cap, in charge of recruiting. I guess they picture in their minds a whole generation of dweebs sitting behind computers in Che Guevara t-shirts dumping their money at the New and Improved (we promise not to cheat you anymore) UB.

Tiffany is just another victim/fool in this scheme. Had she made the final table she would have regretted ever signing with these clowns. And may regret it even yet. Rizen did!
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07-15-2008 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroBalla
pokernews did not pay her way into this event

they are way to cheap

they gave her time off to play in it

that is all they did
and you know this HOW?
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07-15-2008 , 04:23 AM
Ummm are some of you really this light headed or what??


"POKERNEWS SPONSORED her into a few events including the main event"


FYI SPONSORED MEANS PAID HER ENTRY FEE CHILDREN

SO THEY BASICALLY OWN HER ASS IN IT.

ANd lady when I was 15 I knew if I work for someone that is who I work for, let alone if they paid for me to be in something and I signed a contract with them. That is how they have a chance to make anything back is if someone they "SPONSOR" happens to make it far in the event then they own the rights to what they wear and such which I'm sure is stated in the contract.

And why would they not bring it up 2 days ago? Its called professional courtesy for not wanting to stress her out while she is still in event.
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07-15-2008 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wetleg
Me thinks this is going to be very nasty.
Me thinks you may be right. Had she been perhaps someone with more life experience, she might of instead approached PokerNews, told them she thought she'd found a loophole in their contract together, and tried to renegotiate with PokerNews for a better deal.

Then again, hindsight is always 20/20. The better question is also, how much did she know and when (aka about the UB Corruption that is).
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07-15-2008 , 04:25 AM
Any negative UB publicity is good publicity in my book... AND.. If doing so required dragging some shill through the mud who decided to take money in exchange for endorsing the **** then who better to drag through the mud.

A++ PokerNews Article !
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07-15-2008 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 458 Lott

Tiffany is just another victim/fool in this scheme. Had she made the final table she would have regretted ever signing with these clowns. And may regret it even yet. Rizen did!
Yah, she was completely clueless to what she was doing and at only 24 years of age she shouldn't be held accountable for any of her decisions.

The victim card is overplayed, find a new angle to try to defend her actions.
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07-15-2008 , 04:27 AM
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lolll
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07-15-2008 , 04:29 AM
Being in the poker industry as she is, she certainly knew all about the UB scandal. She really is getting what she deserves.

"Shoulda Better Known Better" - Jules Whitfield
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07-15-2008 , 04:30 AM
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Yah, she was completely clueless to what she was doing and at only 24 years of age she shouldn't be held accountable for any of her decisions.

The victim card is overplayed, find a new angle to try to defend her actions.
In no way defending her. She's a Ultimate Sucker/Fool. Victim wrong word. I stand corrected.
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07-15-2008 , 04:31 AM
I hope that UB crash and burn.

She's stupid for wearing it. At the end of the day, somebody affiliated (in whatever way) with a poker news site, should KNOW about the UB scandal in some shape or form, and should have more sense than to sport UB clothing.

The fact that she went behind the back of the people that paid her way into the tournament makes it worse..
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07-15-2008 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ordinary_guy
ANd lady when I was 15 I knew if I work for someone that is who I work for, let alone if they paid for me to be in something and I signed a contract with them. That is how they have a chance to make anything back is if someone they "SPONSOR" happens to make it far in the event then they own the rights to what they wear and such which I'm sure is stated in the contract.
Agreed, but then again, it appears you had better upbringing by your parents then she did.

FWIW, I was just suggesting that perhaps she didn't know any better. Even still though, I always taught my son when he was growing up, that you have to live with the choices you make, and if you make a bad one, you have to live with the penalty for it.

Never once in our house, when he was growing up, could my son use the excuse "But so in so thought it up, not me ... I just went along with it". Simply because he knew that because he made the choice to go along with it, I figured he was just as guilty as the person who thought it up in the first place, simply because he ALWAYS had a choice to turn and walk away. As such, he always had to suffer the penalty of making the wrong choice, regardless if he thought of it, or someone else did.

Same thing here, Tiff made a wrong choice (even if it was as simple as trusting the wrong person for advice), and now she has to pay the piper. Even still though, I don't think it's right that PokerNews is now trying to save face themselves, after pimping her up in the press the last few days, and now decides that since she's no longer in the running for the November 9, that they can feed her to the wolves so to speak, and now go after her like they are planning on doing.

Last edited by CincyLady; 07-15-2008 at 04:40 AM.
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07-15-2008 , 04:33 AM
i know for a fact that MANY people have warned her about the danger of continuing her relationship with UB and she chose to ignore that advice. she's an adult and needs to be accountable for her own actions.

when you sell out your morality and credibility, even if it's for 6-figures (if that is indeed the case), you need to be ready to deal with the consequences. she's getting what she deserves, in my opinion.
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07-15-2008 , 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ordinary_guy
Ummm are some of you really this light headed or what??

"POKERNEWS SPONSORED her into a few events including the main event"

FYI SPONSORED MEANS PAID HER ENTRY FEE CHILDREN

SO THEY BASICALLY OWN HER ASS IN IT..
I disagree , I have sponsored people before in charitable events, such as a ______ Walk

Doesnt mean Ive paid their way or own them .

I tht Tony G personally, and Greg Mueller footed 2/3rds the Bill ???
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07-15-2008 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CincyLady
Me thinks you may be right. Had she been perhaps someone with more life experience, she might of instead approached PokerNews, told them she thought she'd found a loophole in their contract together, and tried to renegotiate with PokerNews for a better deal.

Then again, hindsight is always 20/20. The better question is also, how much did she know and when (aka about the UB Corruption that is).
Cmon.....Life experience, the girl is 26, way past the age of majority. She has been around big players and big cash for how long now? She knew what she was doing with these sponsorships. She got greedy and screwed up big time. Now she may lose it all. Business is business.
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