not sure what ya'll r smoking. plenty of fish in this sea

Welcome to big business where corporations don't give a hoot about what you think (lol at expecting integrity). Guess what, Exxon or whoever doesnt think about say, struggling young families as they jack up gas prices to keep their profit margins healthy and steady so they can grease the right people then rinse and repeat every year. Party Poker doesnt give a rip what grinders think unless this doesn't work for them ($$$) and they have to do an about face.

Too many players have pretty sick entitlement issues and need to realize that every dollar we make is a privilege to earn, not a right. Poker Stars pretends to like us but if this works for PP guess what they're gonna seriously consider doing. It's business. Dog Eat Dog. I don't like it either but that's life. Vote with your feet.

Integrity can and should be a factor when deciding which companies you want to patronize. This move by Party Poker is an egregious breach of trust and as a consequence I choose to not use their services. Others can and should do the same.

Good luck finding a poker site that cares about your feelings.

who cares about feelings, but there's one site that cares about integrity

best post in this thread, +1
who knows how long this "test" is already running btw... maybe already 1 year? 1/2 year, 2 months... biggest fail ever by a pokersite next to superuser ub scandal

Great post

OH NO! NOW WE CAN'T RAPE ALL THE FISH AND WE REALLY HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY AGAINST DUDES ON OUR OWN LEVEL!

Like a lot of posters have already mentioned, the main problem here is that party didn't tell anyone, and it took observant regs to find out instead. Players want to play at a site that they can trust, this doesn't look good for Party's integrity like other posters have said.

I know poker sites shouldn't aspire to be exactly like the market leader but they could make an effort to be more like Pokerstars integrity and logic wise.

I would imagine there is something in their terms and conditions that allows them to make changes without notice.

they can put whatever they want in their ToS. that doesn't make it less of a scumbag move.

Any poker site's T&C clearly states that they can do whatever they please and can't be held responsible for anything. They have almost absolute freedom regarding this.

It doesn't make it right, but players on the site agreed to those scumbag moves..

Wow! I haven't played online in a while, but I've played on PartyPoker quite a bit before. I can't even believe this. Crazy that players had to figure out for themselves that this was happening.

I know you're trolling but the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, success through developing a skill, is what the game of poker is all about. When you take that away you have a fundamentally different game.

That leads into an interesting point that I haven't seen mentioned yet. Every single gambling game in a casino that doesn't involve skill has the possibility of a large jackpot being hit. That's the rush, the drug, that keeps the degens degenning. Poker doesn't have a jackpot unless they install one. So it's more like blackjack but the reason everyone plays blackjack is because they think they can beat it. Even though many BJ games are unbeatable today you still have players who can win long term. If you have a poker game where no one can win long term by definition, and you don't have the big win features of the degen casino favorites, I don't know how that game could sustain a user base for long.

It doesn't make it right nor does it make it a valid contract. God clauses of the kind that in a western court would be laughed at and summarily discarded should a dispute arise there are standard for the T&C's of poker rooms and web casinos.

Well Judge, honestly, I was not trolling. That is where I see the argument at. Players (as I do) love when a novice player who has no clue what they are doing gets on the table am I wrong?

I am sure this was already brought up in the thread, so please forgive me if so.

How can players even be sure that the people segregated are ALL being shifted "correctly"

What if a select few managed to somehow have a connection or know someone who would allow them to continue to table select like a normal person used to be able to do.

Can you imagine if a few GREAT players slipped through the cracks, had the fish all to themselves, and never got moved.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven but if they are not telling any of you just how you are being segregated, using precise criteria, who is to say that this will not happen?

Scary stuff.

I love how most people in this thread have a party poker account that they DONT use.

and there so quick to withdraw and close their account....

I would like to hear from the actual regular's that play on Party Poker daily, such as myself...

But Im not even sure they are on 2+2 forums...

anyways if you dont play on PP like everyday .... its very easy to voice your opionion about wanting to close your account so quickly..

obviously we are not happy about this change but myself I am not a cash game player so it doesnt effect me immedetaily although some of the players have "seemed" better recently in MTT's not sure if its a coinsidence or not. but of course theres still tons of bad players..

anyways im really hoping they dont make this change on MTT's as well that would be really sick. (if they havent already) remains to be seen if I would have to adjust how much I play on PP.

In relation to my above post...

sorry I should be more clear...

most of the people in this thread that are like.... "Im Cashing out, if you play on there then somethings wrong with you"... people

not most of the people in this thread in general. Im referring too.

For some reason I cant edit the post.

So basically, you're saying:

1) You think it's funny that people this doesn't affect are voicing an opinion,

2) this doesn't affect you

and

3) You have an opinion, which you shared.

Is that about right?

You do realize that if everyone at the table is at the same level, the result is that all players at that table lose money.... right? There has to be players at any given table that are far worse than the table average, or everyone loses money. Unless you're playing on some real money, zero rake site I don't know about?

So to be clear, if you download a program and click "okay" to their ToS, and in that ToS it says they can come to your house and scoop your brains out with a melon baller, that's fine, right?

It's certainly possible that there are too many withdrawing regs in poker. That's not what I was arguing against. I was arguing against the idea that withdrawing regs "contribute nothing" to a poker room.

A poker room with only a few casual fish makes only a little money. Then the amount of money a poker room makes increases as you add withdrawing regulars (who increase the rate at which deposits are made and raked) until there are so many withdrawing regulars that depositing players give up/stop/depositing/go broke, then the amount the room makes tapers off.

I grinded over 2 mil hands last year on party and i withdrew. Why in the world would i want to play there without the juicy fish party has?

I`m a cash player fwiw

Without notice, all players with positive winrates will no longer be getting pocket kings or aces preflop. It's part of fair gam . . . ing the system (TM).

The problem with the integrity argument is if they told you before hand I doubt the regs would have simply said "thanks for the heads up Party" and quietly moved on. What most likely would have happened is there would be a mass sit out protest and the regs would make sure the fish knew what was "really" going on.

Don't know if they planned this but one added bonus with this system for them is the sit out protests won't matter so much anymore, it'll still hurt a little but they can simply segregate all the protesters to the shark tank.