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Old 02-28-2013, 05:14 PM   #1
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!!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

After recent update players started complaining there is less traffic and no recreational players. Regulars started analyzing what they see in the lobby and came to the conclusion that players with different winrate (losers/breakeven/crushers) see different tables in the lobby.

There are multiple threads about this issue with details/TST scans/ screenshots/videos and etc.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/t...hreadid=237899

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...l#post37386020


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We are continually looking for ways to balance our poker room ecology. As we have said before, we are testing various features to make poker a more fun and entertaining game for both new and inexperienced players. Our extensive research shows that new and inexperienced players enjoy the game more and continue playing for longer if in the early stages they play with players of a similar ability, this includes, but is not limited to our welcome lounges. These players are free to play on any table they chose.

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Old 02-28-2013, 05:18 PM   #2
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

Que a surge of new accounts on Party...
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:19 PM   #3
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

wow... I guess it's great for online poker in the long run, but not making it public before launching it!?!? that's gotta suck for people who grind the site as a job as opposed to playing on Stars for eg.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:23 PM   #4
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

Make sure ya'll get rakeback on your new accounts haha...
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:25 PM   #5
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

after a quick glance the biggest problem seems to be that they did this without informing players first.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:25 PM   #6
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

No it's not great for poker in the long run lol... This is Partypoker trying to make poker less of a skillgame so people start winning less and just pushing money around and Party can rake it all.

I don't play on Partypoker atm but I have an account there, will never use it as long as this exists.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:26 PM   #7
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

pretty cool that party had the guts to do this.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:27 PM   #8
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This is Partypoker trying to make poker less of a skillgame
no, it's a lot worse than that
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:28 PM   #9
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Holy hell this is the 11th or 12th most ****ed up thing I've seen today. (I've seen over 220 ****ed up things today.)
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:31 PM   #10
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

Who will be the first übergreedy one to see if playing 5/10 and winning, then crashing your bb/100 by openjamming 100% at nanostakes for a massive amount of hands helps to skew you towards the baaaaads at 5/10?
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:33 PM   #11
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

If I played on party I would be withdrawing my roll and moving sites b/c they are indirectly lying to their customers by not informing them of this first
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:34 PM   #12
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

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Old 02-28-2013, 05:34 PM   #13
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

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Old 02-28-2013, 05:37 PM   #14
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

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No it's not great for poker in the long run lol... This is Partypoker trying to make poker less of a skillgame so people start winning less and just pushing money around and Party can rake it all.

I don't play on Partypoker atm but I have an account there, will never use it as long as this exists.
So what Partypoker really should be doing is to continue to pay big money for advertising in order to get new recreational players in to feed the good regs?
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:37 PM   #15
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

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Who will be the first übergreedy one to see if playing 5/10 and winning, then crashing your bb/100 by openjamming 100% at nanostakes for a massive amount of hands helps to skew you towards the baaaaads at 5/10?
https://secure.partyaccount.com/abou...ge_policy_s.do
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What are unfair practices?
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3. Rating Manipulation:

Players intentionally losing games on low stakes tables to keep their rank at a lower level than it would otherwise be.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:40 PM   #16
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

What is your a big winner at NLH, but a big loser at PLO ... do you play vs NLH sharks and PLO fish or do they average out?

Seems like there are a lot of holes in this if this is true. What if you lose massively at .01-.02, but are a big winner at 200NL? Does it segregate it based on your overall win rate or on each level you choose? If its by level then it prob would give you an incentive to take shots more often because lets say you've been winning for years at 200NL at a high clip and now your only playing the best, you mine as well take a shot at 400NL where you have lost in the past and play vs the fish until you have a good win rate, and repeat.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:41 PM   #17
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

Sounds like fun.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:41 PM   #18
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

This is completely ridiculous
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:46 PM   #19
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

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Holy hell this is the 11th or 12th most ****ed up thing I've seen today. (I've seen over 220 ****ed up things today.)
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:52 PM   #20
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

Just join a heads up game with a friend and spew tons of money, have him xfer it back? Agree to have one SUPER WINNER buffbot account among your friend group.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:58 PM   #21
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

what an ingenious way to suck out more rake from the entire player pool
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:59 PM   #22
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I HATE this but the main problem for me is the shady behaviour. If you want to do this at least be upfront with your customers and explain exactly how your site works. Put all info on the site, maybe display player ratings on the tables etc
Dont just make the change and hope noone will notice.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:00 PM   #23
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

I have not played at Party in maybe eight years or more but this was one way to make sure that the trend will continue.

This really does suck for the better players but I would hope that most of them do an auto withdraw now. I wouldnt give these greedy bastards another penny of rake.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:05 PM   #24
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

so dumb. They will have less rake then before. Regs will not play vs regs.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:05 PM   #25
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Re: !!! PARTY network segregates players according to winrate !!!

OMG...Party appeared to have completely lost their mind...what next, the fish get to decide if you are allowed in the game ala Macao Big Game.

We all know that all this is going to do is encourage all sorts of shady behaviour to overcome these restrictions, from multi-accounting to chip dumping.
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