A unique tournament situation that he can make a coffee table display from?

SMH

Maybe he can simply go into the counterfeit chip making business. He has plenty of industry stock to work from.

All facts considered, this wasn't some kids first tournament win and stupid move, its generally acknowledged that hes taken MULTIPLE CHIPS FROM MULTIPLE VENUES.

As far as no one being perfect jcasement... that little voice inside you that tells you to sneak something because it may not be right (that you've had since you were too young to remember).... when you dont listen to it, you know you can end up in a ****on of trouble.... and thats exactly what happened.

Private bodies should absolutely be able to set and govern the rules and regulations for their private events.

He paid to play in a privately regulated event, knowingly and willingly... the rules are at all times available to all players. It is his responsibility to read the rules.

He was not punished beyond the scope of the private events/owners/hosts.

You don't have to play, but if you do, you have to play by the rules.

Ohhhhh I am going to just take some souvenir's today! But tomorrow I may change my mind and put them back into play.... but when I took them, I had the best of intentions!

[QUOTE=jjjou812;42333128]Speaking of, do you have that explicit section , mr. Kettle. Why do I now think you are at the bubble of getting in the points tournament?[/QUOTE

From @billbruce wsop circuit tournament director.

@AllenKessler @wsop @WSOPTD @twoplustwoforum due to the impact it would have on the WSOP championship qualifiers chops are prohibited.

Guy in a cash game six months ago.

there is definitely no chopping in ring events. anyone arguing against it most likely has never played one.

Have played several. I agree that WSOP isnt going to facilitate any chops. But no one has showed yet that ''explicit" rule.

Well if there was an intention to chop between the 2nd place guy and the winner. Both players should be disqualified. Wsop circuit does not allow players to chop. This also goes against their point system. This should be looked at by the tournament directors.

If there was an agreement between the two and the 2nd place finisher ended up "dumping" (not necessarily putting a lot of chips in and folding- just any form of losing chips purposefully) for a favorable chop this is a serious violation.

[QUOTE=doublejoker;42334272] It seems really odd that they wouldn't have this as a written rule.

I am not sure why all of the people that jumped on Chan Pelton are taking this so lightly. I am also not sure that there actually needs to be a written rule for this to be cheating.

If I read it correctly, this "win" in this event gave the Casino Champ to Chan. That has a value of approximately $10,000, in the form of an entry into the National Championship.
When these two got headsup, they apparently (Chan admitted as much in an article, where admitting it didn't help him any) made a deal where Chris Bolek would dump his chips to Chan, so Chan could win the tournament and secure the Casino Champ.
This is collusion, plain and simple. The Casino Champ points board is simply another tournament, whereby somebody wins. These two apparently colluded to get Chan the entry. How do you think the guy he jumped feels?

I don't think that it is any coincidence that both Chris, and the TD, "declined to comment on whether a chop was made".

Interesting. This is the most important post besides the press release itself.

Wonder what else this muppet did. What a dirtbag thief.

[QUOTE=doublejoker;42334272] Not a peep from you last month in the pca thread about fellow team ivey Merson involved in a heads up chip dumping but you want to disqualify this guy? Pretty dirty.

[QUOTE=jjjou812;42335089] I have no idea about this incident.

[QUOTE=doublejoker;42335186] And now that you do... Or can find out assuming its true, what are your thoughts?

Missed it on front page of nvg all of january and while you were at the pca? Yeah, it probably never was brought up.

[QUOTE=Carl Trooper;42335227] Considering that no other players were involved at the pca, it seems different than the incident here. The chip dumping agreed to in Florida affected not only all the players in the wsopc points race, but the race for the casino champion 10k seat as well.

You probably just missed it the 75 times you were on this site, missed the articles and headers on poker news and never talked a out when down in the Bahamas......makes sense.

Link to incident?

Those two incidents do not compare. The wsopc had a point race with a 10,000 seat as the prize. The PCA had a trophy that had no monetary value.

I wasn't aware that they had a chop agreement. He only needed 3rd place to overtake me on the leaderboard so it's not like a points chop would have cost me the seat. Once the chip issue was discovered it was pretty clear the wsop suits were not happy about the situation however. I was told the next day that, unofficially, he was probably going to lose the points. I still tried to win outright but bricked the main and a 365.

I don't play a lot of tournaments but I do think it's bad policy that chops aren't allowed. Some of these circuit events are life changing money for some players and the wsop shouldn't force people to act against their economic self interest.

I get that they want to protect the integrity of the points race but I think it'd be better for the players if chops were allowed. I think most players would choose to chop the money and play for points/ring straight up pretty much always. Maybe I'm underestimating the frequency of a situation where all remaining players would agree to chop points/ring but players can still agree privately for one to give up the pts and ring for $ and keep quiet about it. I don't think I'd personally ever do it just because I would want the ring/trophy 100 percent of the time.

But the chop isn't the reason the decision the wsop made was made so don't want to derail this thread. I don't know Chan and have never played with him to my knowledge but it's a terribly unfortunate situation for him.

Taking any chips off the table (except for maybe a t25 chip from the main event, I get it lol) is just so clearly a bad idea under any circumstances. I could understand an amateur player who never really plays much poker taking a chip for a souvenir not realizing why it's such a big no-no but I don't see how somebody that plays a ton of live tournaments could make that mistake and not accept the kennel club and wsop's decision. Brutal but correct imo.

The chop may or may not be mentioned in the rules, but to faciliate the chop the TD would have to agree, or the players would have to do it 'on the sly' by chip dumping and soft playing, which is mentioned in the rules.

The prize money at stake is not the only money at stake. Seats in the national championship, that have been paid for in part by other players in different tourneys, are also at stake, and players can have no claim to chop up that value ouside the structure and rules.

this

more serious than stealing a single chip for example, and that was very serious in its own right

due process applies to acts of government, you have no guarantee of due process against private parties just as you have no guarantee of free speech against them (absent a law passed by the legislature granting such

Show me an explicit section that prohibits chopping and I will show you how to complete a simple search of your Ivey poker teammate's name.

So its only not acceptable to chop and chip dump if are at stake is a ring and freeroll entry into another tournament in addition to the poy points, correct?

He may not have an appeal through the WSOP and PBKC, but I'm pretty sure he does have legal recourse, even if the rules may state that he has no recourse. If a grocery store puts up a sign saying "not responsible for slip and fall accidents", that would likely have little legal value in the event that someone busted their butt on a wet floor.

It seems to me that he has a case, and it will be interesting to see how it plays out, although I suppose if its like most cases, its likely to be settled out of court and we may never hear the details.

IMO it would be unwise to sue since right now he is only 86'd from Ceasars properties/PBKC/Wsop events but if he files suit other venues may think he gets caught cheating then sues so let's not gamble and just 86 him. A suit even if he wins could be costly to his poker career. By way a suit will not get him un 86'd and by the time the lawyer gets his 35/40% plus expenses he will only get only get 20-25K, might not be worth the possible repercussions from other venues.

Well, the bottom line is both players should be disqualified. 1st and 2nd place finishers. Someone please forward this information to the tournament directors.

Wsop circuit does not allow chops between players. It goes against their point system. Definitely a point in case for this event because the 2nd place guy in this event agreed to a chop for more money to give up the 1st place spot. This propelled Pelton to get enough points to qualify for national championships. If he had not been caught taking chips off the table, he would've played in the championships this year.

I wish there was a way to forward this information to the tournament directors. I do not know if Bolek was aware of this but unfortunately this is a disqualification. If Bolek is paid then this will allow other players to chop in future events and people will respond by saying, this was allowed in PBKC so why not now?

Stop spreading misinformation. The guy who took 2nd was 2nd in chips. He 'took more money' because that is how chops WORK. Not a very good chip offer if I have a 3-1 chip lead and ask the other guy "hey wanna just go ahead and take 2nd place money?"

Also, if Pelton had taken 2nd in this event, he still would have been casino champion, so no, the chop did not enable him to play in the NC.

Third, there is no WSOPC rule in the WSOPC rulebook prohibiting chops. I am again well aware that WSOPC policy is to not facilitate chops. However, disqualifying someone and stealing tens of thousands of dollars is a ridiculous remedy for the offense. At worst, forfeit the WSOPC points from the event and/or declare them ineligible for the National Championship.

Disqualification from an event and forfeiture of prize money should be reserved for situations where a competitive advantage was gained in the event. In the actual ring event, no competitive advantage was gained, so disqualification is an absurd remedy. In the WSOPC points race, sure it can be argued that competitive advantage was gained, so I am amenable to DQ'ing the players involved FROM THE POINTS RACE. Although if WSOPC wants to enforce the rule, they should try, you know, writing it down.