idk why ppl are bringing this up again and again ... the exception for fantasy sports was made because back then it was a casual fun thing (like all the march madness brackets which are basically illegal but widely accepted in society).

I think it's laughable that people think these daily sites were born out of thin air by venture capitalists....fanduel has been around a long time and it started small and grew large because people actually play it....it would be impossible for the big players to win if rec players were not interested in it...

Huge players have invested in these companies they are not fools. Bob Kraft, jerry jones, nbc are invested in these companies. Meanwhile the people on this forum are sitting in their parents basements commenting on topics we know nothing about.

Oh and the most predatory people in this country are the big casinos themselves...they make big money off table games where the house edge is completely known.

You sound worried that this month's shill-check won't clear.

Great points. People love to gamble especially legally. Fantasy being legal is bringing out people in droves. Shows that the USA public is gambling starved and that lottery tickets are the tip of the iceberg. Just legalize and tax gaming along with poker instead of having people bet with bookies and shady overseas operators. People are going to find ways to gamble at least use tax monies for domestic needs instead of letting that money evaporate and go into pockets of organized crime in the USA or in the pockets overseas operators.

I disagree that its harder to beat a sportsbook then a fantasy opponent. Fantasy opponents have scrips (fish finders) and prey on the millions of noobs and unsuspecting that are saturating the nets(in heads up scenarios) of fl brought in by the never ending commercials cluelessly throwing away their money to sharks. Fantasy sports are incredibly more harder to beat and millions are dead money even before these big contests without even knowing it. People are sending in their hard earned money to fantasy betting without having a clue of just how little chance they have of winning. Way more likely to win regular sports betting if they picked a team to win in the nfl straight up then against a skilled hu opponent in fantasy for instance.

I think the interactive nature of DFS is attractive to many players especially to younger people who carry a smart phone or tablet like an extra limb.Picking your own players and lineups by what ever method you use is more interesting then just betting and forgetting,and it's a hell of a lot cheaper.You can have a whole weekends worth of action playing $1,$2,$3 gpps for $50 or so.Do you think a street bookmaker wants your $3 bets....nah.Do low stakes players want to go through the hassle of joining an off shore site to play $5 parlay cards? idk.The vig on parlays and parlay cards is 20% or more on the steet.No bargains there.

Betting 20 to win a million will always be more attractive then betting 20 to win 19.

The majority of casual players are playing big field tournaments. Maybe 20 percent of the field is sharp...but the luck factor is huge in these. So it's a better deal to pay 12 percent rake to play these than to bet a game against an always sharp like. Playing heads up vs. a sharp opponent is a bad deal but you can avoid that. The big field tournaments have had the most appeal to the mass market.

If I'd gotten to the end of the thread without someone saying that it would have been the opening sentence in any post I made.

OK which one of your NVGers is John Weaver?

yo joe, what you're describing/pointing to is the social gaming experience fantasy has always been. Like most, Ive played in a league(s) with the same 10 guys for a decade we have a traveling trophy and lots of betting. this doesnt resemble DFS at all. DFS is anonymous gambling layered on a social gaming platform, it doesnt fit without the carve-out. People who want anonymous betting will find a slot machine and people who want social gaming will just bet more with their "bros". Its why DFS type promotions have never caught on with the betting shops in europe even though fantasy soccer is huge. It lacks any social aspect and players lose too fast.

a billion dollars is bet on golf every month in 4somes across the world, no one is betting golf props. The people arent "betting on golf" and they dont want to "bet on golf". they want a social gaming experience with their friends.

if you give me a carve out i can make anything look popular. give me a license to spread online draw poker games only in all jurisdictions across america. Ill raise 100million in an instant and youll have the worlds biggest poker room everyone playing draw poker variants within 18 months. idiots will come on forums and say stupid **** like "zomg! everyone loves draw poker, look at all the ads and the investors!". no one will really want it, but theyll settle for it, for a while...

Come on now. Fans have always _loved_ individual superstars. But in general, no one really gives a crap about Le'Veon Bell unless they're a Steeler's fan or they have him in their lineup (or against). They are literally just picking people who they think will help them win and that's it. They don't care about the actual person. When Arian Foster got injured in 2011 it wasn't "Oh I hope he's OK" it was more, "Crap! He was my first rounder"

No one cares for the social aspect of picking actual players. They care about the social aspect of either playing their friends or their peers, or whatever makes them the most money. It's not because they want to become Le'Veon Bell.

DFS definitely has gotten more people interested but its not because they love individual players. It's because it's the only (legal) way for them to get excited about a game from betting.

I mean given this scenario: DFS is deemed completely legal, within the bounds of the UIGEA, but at the same time, sports betting is also ruled legal. How fast would all these Fantasy sites switch over to sports betting? No one really cares about "Fantasy" as a format, or about the individual players but if that's the only way for someone to gamble that's what they'll do.

I'm a fishy DFS player. I stopped sports betting and only play DFS instead. I don't enjoy sports betting near as much, even parlay cards. It's because when you play DFS and can literally watch every play especially in a zero sum DFS game like baseball, you are always getting excitement. I could put up $20 to win $15,000 on a parlay card and i still wouldn't be that interested in seeing a random pitcher record a strikeout, even if it was in one of my games. Whereas, in DFS I can get much more "gamble" for my money and still have a chance to turn $20 into $15,000 or 100 times that. Just my two cents, but I might be the minority who can actually take the time to watch every game. Maybe your average Joe would rather just bet and not watch.

So Limon and sauce are telling us we really don't like DFS we're just playing it because it's there and of course those cool frat boy commercials.Who knew!
Thanks for reminding me I'm just just a mindless drone in the DFS collective incapable of independent thought or decision making.JC! I live in an area where street bookmakers thrive.I can and do bet sports with a very simple transaction.No credit cards,internet or Costa Rican connections needed.But I still enjoy DFS and will continue to play it until the govt. f**ks it up.But I just speak for myself not the millions of other DFS'ers I'll leave that to you guys.

most of the above are sort of moot points

writing is on the wall. In current form, DFS' days are numbered.

So if your retirement plan includes you winning a 1M weekend, better load up those entries.

Call Ethan if you want some pro tips.

This.It's completely changed the tv experience.Before DFS I hadn't watched a non playoff NHL or NBA game in years,now I watch all the time.This is why the leagues approve, eyeballs bring in the billion$.

just catching up on this thread and I've decided that this post is my favourite.

IT'S JUST A BASIC LAW OF PHYSICS is a phrase I now intend to use in everyday arguments.

1. No one gives a **** about the individual players, which was the main point I was refuting. Unless you're one of the big stars of the league, people aren't really playing fantasy because they _really_ like player X. They are doing it for the sole purpose of winning their games.

2. No one gives a **** about the "fantasy" format, they just want to bet on something. You enjoy DFS? Cool. No problem. Most people wouldn't bother with it if it wasn't the only way to bet money on sports. It doesn't apply to you _but_ then again you are living in the 3% of the US population that can gamble. There's the other 97% who can't do anything else besides DFS. Take away the $ aspect of DFS and there's very few reasons to play DFS (pride maybe?). DFS is just a symptom of most people's desire to gamble.

Again that part of my post was to emphasize that Americans want to gamble, but they couldn't care less what they bet on, or how they bet it, but they have no choice in the matter anyways. But if given a choice (IMO. Don't want you to think I speak for _everyone_!) the more popular format would probably just be variations of Team A beating Team B.

Nevada Regulators Rule Daily Fantasy Is Gambling, Order Sites To Shut Down In State

http://deadspin.com/nevada-rules-dai...-to-1736830297

The Nevada Gaming Control Board offered perhaps the most significant rebuke of daily fantasy sports operators today in a month full of them, finding that daily fantasy sports constitutes gambling. The Gaming Control Board wrote that because daily fantasy sports involves “wagering on the collective performance of individuals participating in sporting events,” daily fantasy sites must obtain licensing from the Nevada Gaming Commission to continue operating.

This presents a problem for DraftKings, FanDuel, and other daily fantasy operators. If they wanted to keep their games open to Nevada’s nearly three million residents, they could surely jump through the necessary hoops to secure regulatory approval. But doing so would admit that daily fantasy is gambling, a distinction daily fantasy operators are desperate to avoid. Therefore, Nevada will become the 12th state in which at least one of the major daily fantasy websites are banned.

This is pure bull since fantasty leagues with starting rosters have been popular for years before money was involved.

Nevada taking a moral stand against online gambling, sans irony.

It must be so infuriating to live in the US. You guys have my sympathy.

Has nothing to do with morality. Everything to do with regulation and taxation. NV wants their cut.

You don't speak for everyone,but you know what everyone does and doesn't give a **** about...........ok.I don't get your point of 3% and 97% is 97% of the country Utah.Take away the money aspect and poker,horse racing the NFL tv contracts all disappear WSOP 2016 with no prize pool can't wait,wtf.50 yrs.ago, besides Vegas horse racing was the only legal gambling in the US.Now most of the country has some form of legal gambling on a multitude of games.Why? Tax revenue of course,but also people like new and different things,they're all not just waiting around to bet New England -6 1/2 in the Super Bowl.

So what about Nevada residents who are currently in a contest? Thurs/Fri MLB or Thurs NFL. Can they still win in those contests?

If it is an active contest it will complete and payout. If not active it is refunded. See email below.

Indeed. Thank god we can buy as many lottery tickets as we want.