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03-27-2014 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesD816
To prove your point Reid's top donor list is below, five of top eight are casino companies and no Sheldon or Venetian anywhere on his list at all.
FYP...SNC is a defense subcontractor...
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03-27-2014 , 11:59 AM
My own cross post from other thread on same topic . Should have read this thread first ...

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Originally Posted by PTLou
Yes! +1 This

this has nothing to do with divisional ideological party issues. This bill has to do with one and only one thing. Politicians want to get on the Sheldon Adelson campaign donation money train.

Graham has to my knowledge never addressed topics on either side of the online gaming industry. Then after a campaign fund raising dinner hosted by Adelson for Graham, he suddenly feels this issue is important enough to his "constituents" to put forth this bill ? right.

Getting other campaign dollar seeking politicians on both sides of the aisle on board was pretty easy... Sheldon wants this, Sheldon has millions to donate, Support the Bill, Get donations.

In most parts of the world this activity is called CORRUPTION and people go to jail. Sadly, here in the U.S. we call it LOBBYING. By all definitions it is legalized bribery. Fully sanctioned and supported corruption that is a terminal cancer within our democratic system.

Until this is fixed, the needs/wants of citizens/constituents will be a secondary consideration to almost all politicians.

Senatorial and Congressional campaigns are very expensive and with Citizens United/SuperPac money pouring in, getting even more expensive with each campaign cycle.

House of Cards isn't too far off, imo.
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03-27-2014 , 12:21 PM
Arnold Rothstein was right, In America the only thing that counts is money. In this case money to buy politicians. Graham would introduce a bill outlawing bacon if Sheldon told him to.
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03-27-2014 , 01:18 PM
I hate our government system and what it's become. I hate this Adelsen. And I hate Dianne Feinstein. Whenever control of other people comes up, that ugly ****ing troll of a woman's name seems to appear supporting it. I wish I could challenge her to some kind of IQ test against some of the poker players, libertarians, 2nd amendment advocates or others she tries to bully with her childish arguments and let them utterly embarrass her. I seriously hate her guts.
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03-27-2014 , 01:31 PM
This is today, and vegas residents going to check it out?

Mr. Adelson’s political prominence will be on display today in Las Vegas at the start of the four-day Republican Jewish Committee meeting — an event that has attracted several 2016 presidential prospects, including former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin and Gov. John Kasich of Ohio.
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03-27-2014 , 02:07 PM
Seems we are going in the wrong direction here. This whole ban against gambling is asinine. Any 10 year old kid can find all the porn he wants on the internet but congress must stop this evil gambling. What a joke. In fact, all those politicians are completely corrupt and self-serving. Every one of them has been bought and paid for many times over. Why people in this country continue to vote is beyond me.
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03-27-2014 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
lol wat?
Why LOL?? He is exactly right. This country is far from free. The politicians who get elected buy those seats. Your vote is influenced by how much money a candidate can spend. You may not realize it, but its true.
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03-27-2014 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
lol wat?
If you think our country is still a democracy you are incredibly naive. It is way closer to a corporate oligarchy.
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03-27-2014 , 03:22 PM
I guess not everyone on the Sand's Board of Directors opposes online gaming.

"Sands board member becomes online gaming company stakeholder"

http://www.reviewjournal.com/busines...ref_map=%5B%5D

Mr. Ader needs to talk to Adelson about the benefits of this industry.
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03-27-2014 , 04:25 PM
As long as it doesn't effect bovada/acr I could care less. I live in central jersey ( somerset county) and have no interest in these new NJ sites. Why lose 30% of your winnings to taxes for no reason? Let these clowns ban it for all i care. It will only strengthen the black market sites like bovada and others.
In the mean time, all is well in NJ on party poker. We have a whopping 394 players logged on at this very moment.
But seriously, this **** adelson will be dead soon enough. And online will be nationally regulated hopefully. When we have adequate player pool/poker economy we can start taking it more seriously.

Last edited by dama8982; 03-27-2014 at 04:37 PM.
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03-27-2014 , 04:56 PM
Uhh, you're still supposed to be paying taxes...
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03-27-2014 , 05:00 PM
Feinstein is against anyone anywhere having any fun anytime.
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03-27-2014 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by EGarrett
I hate our government system and what it's become. I hate this Adelsen. And I hate Dianne Feinstein. Whenever control of other people comes up, that ugly ****ing troll of a woman's name seems to appear supporting it. I wish I could challenge her to some kind of IQ test against some of the poker players, libertarians, 2nd amendment advocates or others she tries to bully with her childish arguments and let them utterly embarrass her. I seriously hate her guts.
no.
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03-27-2014 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dama8982
As long as it doesn't effect bovada/acr I could care less. I live in central jersey ( somerset county) and have no interest in these new NJ sites. Why lose 30% of your winnings to taxes for no reason? Let these clowns ban it for all i care. It will only strengthen the black market sites like bovada and others.
In the mean time, all is well in NJ on party poker. We have a whopping 394 players logged on at this very moment.
But seriously, this **** adelson will be dead soon enough. And online will be nationally regulated hopefully. When we have adequate player pool/poker economy we can start taking it more seriously.
If they amend the wire act to apply to online poker I'm guessing you could be charged with a federal felony
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03-27-2014 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GJS70
I guess not everyone on the Sand's Board of Directors opposes online gaming.

"Sands board member becomes online gaming company stakeholder"

http://www.reviewjournal.com/busines...ref_map=%5B%5D

Mr. Ader needs to talk to Adelson about the benefits of this industry.
In the early 2000s, Venetian Interactive obtained and held an online gaming license from Alderney. However, that activity fell b the wayside in the rush to capitalize on Macau.
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03-27-2014 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DHeise72
I certainly don't want this to pass, but it would be interesting to see how states like Nevada, New Jersey, and Delaware would respond.
Governor Sandoval (R-Nev) has called it anti-States' Rights. I have not seen anything from Joe Heck or Dean Heller.

A usually reliable source, who I WILL NOT name, told me last week that Harry Reid might work with Graham to pass the Graham Bill so long as Nevada was protected ..... not sure what that meant as it could range from a grandfather-in to a right to pool internationally, to a right to offer only poker and to do it nationwide .....

Do not think for a minute that Nevada would not leap to support

1. a poker only bill which
2 grandfathered in ONLY those States already operating online poker,
3. provided them with an opt-out access to other States and
4. a free hand to pool overseas

By pooling support with Graham et al, and tossing casino under the Wire Act bus, Nevada/NJ/Del. could effectively pass a poker-only federal bill, limited to "grandfather States + opt in States"

Not sure that Sheldon Adelson would have an issue with that either .... as he once hed an online gaming license thru Venetian Interactive.
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03-27-2014 , 06:51 PM
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‘‘(1) the term ‘bet or wager’ does not include any activities set forth in section 5362(1)(E) of title 31;
Here is the relevant part of section 5362(1)(E) of title 31:

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(E) does not include—

(ix) participation in any fantasy or simulation sports game or educational game or contest in which (if the game or contest involves a team or teams) no fantasy or simulation sports team is based on the current membership of an actual team that is a member of an amateur or professional sports organization (as those terms are defined in section 3701 of title 28) and that meets the following conditions:

(I) All prizes and awards offered to winning participants are established and made known to the participants in advance of the game or contest and their value is not determined by the number of participants or the amount of any fees paid by those participants.

(II) All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events.

(III) No winning outcome is based—
(aa) on the score, point-spread, or any performance or performances of any single real-world team or any combination of such teams; or
(bb) solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event.
And of course...

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SEC. 3. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.
Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this
Act, shall be construed—
(1) to preempt any State law prohibiting gambling; or
(2) to alter, limit, or extend—
(A) the relationship between the Interstate
Horseracing Act of 1978 (15 U.S.C. 3001 et
seq.) and other Federal laws in effect on the
date of enactment of this Act;
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03-27-2014 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesD816
This is today, and vegas residents going to check it out?

Mr. Adelson’s political prominence will be on display today in Las Vegas at the start of the four-day Republican Jewish Committee meeting — an event that has attracted several 2016 presidential prospects, including former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin and Gov. John Kasich of Ohio.
yeah, somebody run up and baptize him!
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03-27-2014 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by YouthBlood
so online gaming is bad but owning casinos is good bc its brick and mortar and that makes it moral and ok? i hate people and this world
It's only ok if some guy who's great grandmother was 1/4 Navajo, who went to the same schools and had the same opportunities as everyone else, and basically grew up as a white kid, is getting profit from it.
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03-28-2014 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DrawNone
....just realized if a republican is elected president in 2016 is GG for US online poker
That is too broad of statement. If the republican is also a Libertarian, then online gaming might flourish!
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03-28-2014 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesD816
Adelsons #1 issue has nothing to do with online gambling. Never has been never will be either. If he were to spend 100 million to fund republican candidates and I don't disagree he will and more, after all he spent 100 million last election cycle he will do it and won't bat an eye. I can name off the top of my head 200 million he has donated directly to Israeli recently. . How much he actually has donated for israeli causes is probably closer to 400 million.

The reason he backed Newt Gingrich and tried to single handedly restart newts campaign is newt was a friend to Israel. Israel is 100% the only reason, you can look it up. Adelson originally was a democrat and he and his wife are both very pro Israel and that drives their agenda. Adelson is one of the 8 or 9 richest men in the world at over 40 billion he and his wife are both Israeli and actually the richest Israeli couple in the world. Online gaming is his second most important issue by a country mile.

He said he got into politics to fight specifically George Soros who does the exact same thing he does on the democratic side, only George uses a variety of corporations spreading his enormous donations around to fund his political agenda. Adelson doesn't bother he just puts his money where his mouth is in full view. For the record, many think Hillary is not very pro Israel so he will probably fight even harder in 2016. Hundreds of millions, not 100 million, is my prediction
go Hillary......
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03-28-2014 , 07:22 AM
I am happy to see the contempt towards politicians and governments increasing. We are taking some steps in the right direction. Stop thinking of how we can work with them, and focus on figuring out how we can eliminate them from our lives.
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03-28-2014 , 01:40 PM
Someone in this thread brought up how easy is it for a child to find porn but is it that way due to lack of regulation and no strong age verification?

It doesn't have to be that way with online gaming.

Regarding how to fight this war, the ammunition is money so the answer is to donate to a PAC that advances our cause.
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03-28-2014 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Hong Kong
I am happy to see the contempt towards politicians and governments increasing. We are taking some steps in the right direction. Stop thinking of how we can work with them, and focus on figuring out how we can eliminate them from our lives.
Interesting post given your screen name.
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