Point of having security: To protect your customers from this kind of BS.
Red beard defended himself. Security no where to be seen. Security = Bad. It's that simple. I read a few pages back security aren't walking about the casino. They should be!

Awesome vid and fight(from the perspective of the good guy winning).

If anyone has more poker fights, please post here.

Also, I can't imagine many people would argue that a boxer could take a wrestler in a street fight. ALL street fights essentially turn into wrestling matches and realistically, the boxer should never even get a STANDING punch in.

streetfighting GTO ITT

not really "relevant" as karelin is a one of a kind freak of nature and got weight on this guy by alot even though it is a fatass but still;



exhibition match for fun, if this was a real fight karelin woulda killed him in 10seconds. This guy could pick olympic wrestlers up from the ground that weighed 130kg and did everything they could in order to stay down and toss them over his shoulder, also known as the "karelin lift". Winning a match were never anyones priority, you went in trying to give away as little points as possible, in a 10 year period karelin didnt give away a single point to his opponents.

I will take that bet for rolls and give you odds.

Every single-skill boxer that has stepped into an MMA ring with a wrestler of any competence has been destroyed in under a minute. I believe former UFC Champ Randy Couture fought a former boxing champ James Toney and beat him in a few seconds and without even taking a punch.

That was ****ing embarrassing to Toney and boxing.

agree 1000%

Sorry, you are dead wrong. Most 'real' street fights end up on the ground very quickly. If the boxer does not get in a great punch in the first 30 seconds or so, the wrestler will almost always win. Do you even watch MMA? How many pure boxers actually win fights? Zero. You need to master all facets of fighting to be successful in MMA. How much of a match is on the ground? Quite a bit and it would be even more if the ref was not their to bring them to their feet a lot. The only matches that are on their feet for quite a while is because BOTH fighters prefer to be on their feet. Whenever a stand up guy faces a ground guy, all they talk about is if the stand up guy can get in enough damage before the ground guy gets him to the ground. Once it is to the ground, it is usually over for pure stand up guy, unless he has ground skills as well.

another note of worth is that takedown defense isnt as effective in a street fight as it is in the octagon because of the use of walls/leaning on the fences. Sure you get to run around alot in a street fight but you arent doing any damage either.

This video made it on to World Star today. Will have a million+ views by the end of the day. Red Beard might want to look into getting an agent and starting the UFPL (Ulitmate Fighting Poker League). He could hold the inaugural belt.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/video...nw76JGKPB87zNT

That second punch attempt by the Goon was the most non-committal, slow motion, "I really don't want to be here but my friend asked me"-type punch attempt I've ever seen lol.

Another one missing the point entirely.
You keep mentioning MMA but I'm not talking a one on one in a cage and a soft floor where a missed takedown is no big deal.Try it on someone with a brick wall behind them.
In a "street fight" remaining on your feet and with a wall behind you is the way to go.Especially if you are a skilled striker.
You take it to ground and risk being stomped by all and sundry.Simple.
In a controlled environment such as MMA the wrestler obviously has a huge advantage over a boxer but we're talking about a street fight.If it does go to ground then balls,eyes, throat,fingers are all fair game and if you're going to try to dirty box then your face/neck is right next to my teeth
I'm a huge fan of MMA ,boxed as a youth and have studied several martial arts.I have also had more than a few street fights.
Also you think many real fights last over 30 seconds?
Most are over within 10 seconds from repeated concussive blows to the head.
You have your opinion and I have mine - I'll stick with the one I know to work in practice.
Watch a few Bas Rutten vids or some good Krav Maga (the proper army one not the trendy crap taught by unskilled fools)

Google "miccosukee poker fight". It happened a couple of months ago -- I posted the you tube in the B&M forum and promptly got a 3 day site ban for it (never a warning -- for anything). So I won't post the link again.

Funny that -- I first saw it on a 11 pm network news broadcast. Apparently the news is too brutal for the delicate denizens of B&M?

You continue to bring up points that favor the wrestler. A concrete floor is a huge advantage to a wrestler, not a boxer. Eye gouging, ball biting, or whatever other cheap tactic you want to bring up all favor the wrestler.

Most involve unskilled participants.

That video has already been posted in this thread. Who banned you? Was it Mat Sklansky himself or was it Rapini/Lattimer/Bowser? Sklansky had taken control of B&M since so many people were upset with the moderation there but recently loosened the leashes on the moderators. The 3 moderators are supposed to all agree on any bannings I believe.

Don't you dare tie El Guopo's name to your poorly reasoned point.

As has been noted, any time a top caliber boxer has faced a top caliber wrestler, the boxer has been DESTROYED. Those same skills are transferable to any setting, regardless of the composition of the floor. Yes, you are correct that most fights on the street last only a few seconds. Short of a sucker punch, those fights end quickly because after a tussle one person falls on top of the other and punches/kicks them in the face.

So go ahead and stay close to your wall and hope that it saves you (though unless you can bring the wall with you, I believe the counter is to simply take a step back away from you and your brick bodyguard). I would bet on a good wrestler vs you regardless of your skill because I have seen that fight in action many times. The Wrestler (Who, by the way, can also see your "balls, eyes, throat,fingers" as fair game as much as any boxer, e.g., the inaugural Ultimate Fighting Championship which had no rules -- yes, ball punches were allowed -- and saw the fighter representing boxing get crushed in the manner expected) wins because his skills are more transferable to a no-rules fight. It is inarguable, but that hasn't stopped NVG before so carry on

It was Rapini. The PMs were even more insulting. But I'm sure it's all a topic for another thread (and likely best on some other site), rather than this thread.

I will say this: a well moderated site has standards/rules for moderators that every user can see -- and one of those rules should be 1) Don't moderate based upon personal taste, moderate based upon the posted rules.

Goon: Jonathon Sharp
40k loser: Eric Fields

The 40k loss was over two hands during a short handed session, who wants the hand histories? 😁

The thing about grappling and BJJ is that you can take a guy way bigger than you.

http://blog.wsop.com/2014/02/eric-fi...-win-3rd-ring/

Eric Fields

It's like you've never even seen a real street fight.

A boxer with who can land a big blow quickly can obviously win any street fight, but that's not easy against someone with any defensive capability and skills. If the boxer can't get that big blow in fast, most of the skills they have trained heavily in become nearly useless.

There is no referee to separate the boxer from an opponent in a street fight. He will tackle you, hold you, trip you, etc. Try throwing a concussive blow when you opponent has your forearms locked or has snapped some of your fingers back.

A concrete floor is the best possible advantage to a wrestler, when I slam you head down to the ground you aren't getting up until the hospital releases you.

The closest thing to a street fight is MMA, and it's pretty much proven what happens when a single skill boxer gets against someone with grappling or submission skills, even when the boxer has the advantage of cage walls and soft floors to protect them when being slammed.

Bas Rutten was a bad-ass kick-boxer for sure, but still lost 5 times in a MMA era when the talent level was far lower.

Chael Sonnen, whose base skills was as a wrestler, fought a lot of top competitors, sometimes at a moments notice at far from his best weight, and was very successful in todays MMA. He wrote a blog post once about wrestling as it applied to MMA that I thought was very insightful. He mentioned how classic wrestling posture wasn't optimal in a fight, basically it makes the head an easier target, and how he had change his posture to adapt to MMA fighting.

So even a top wrestler who doesn't adapt could have some gaping weaknesses in a fight. Folkstyle/Freestyle & Greco wrestling doesn't teach you much about submission holds either, and while they are adaptable to a good "ground and pound" approach that has been shown to be extremely effective, without a strong submission game you can still have big weaknesses (ahem, Chael) that opponents can exploit.

Rich Franklin is a hell of a striker, but Anderson Silva destroyed him using the Muay Thai Clinch, which no boxing ref would ever allow and few stand up boxers train for. There is a great saying in boxing that styles make the fight, in MMA there are more options and more styles, and you need to be able to defend them all or you have a glaring weakness.

In a street fight you may not have to defend from the Muy Thai clinch but you better be able to defend the takedown. There is no defense for a punch to the head when you are laying facedown on the ground.

cool story bro

Everyone wants the hand histories. If not everyone, feel free to pm to me

So this dude is a circuit grinder? Is he ever going to post in this thread to clear his name or is he taking full responsibility for being a chicken ****?

Dammit. Every time I come back to this thread, someone gives me something else to look for. I ell oh elled yet again.

Thread/video continuing to deliver.

Yeah, I think you both are correct on this. Within the first few seconds, you can tell that trouble was already brewing. The goon was shouting at our hero from the moment the shooter hit the red record button on his phone. Someone in the foreground asks, "Are you getting a good Snapchat?" (0:03) Another person, a little more faintly, says something like "we gotta call security." (0:08) The dealer had put out a few cards but clearly had stopped by the time the video started. That also suggests that Mr. Goon didn't come out of nowhere.

Note that he initially shoots in a clandestine manner at the start, too. So whoever filmed this probably figured it was gonna escalate any second. Maybe not to the point of actual fists being thrown (albeit poorly) but something worth capturing.

At least, that's my untrained read on the situation. I hope our boy in red finds his way to this thread and tells the story first-hand. I'd love to know what really went down. (And a few of you would like to talk shop at his hand-to-hand combat skills, which would be equally interesting.)