Going to the ground, you have COMPLETE control of your opponent.

You keep arguing that the boxer is better suited, which is completely false. You keep bringing up getting sucker punched, but what does that change?

No style of fighting is suited for fighting multiple people. This ain't the ****ing movies.

you keep being dumb

This wrestler vs boxer debate is kinda dumb. To say either side would easily win is also dumb. I see a lot of support for wrestlers(fair enough). But I am pretty sure if Ali, may weather, Tyson or any other pro landed a proper punch on any wrestler they would be out in one.

No, I just started.

You are pretty clueless, though.

A proper punch? You mean if the guy just stands there and lets them hit them? No one moves anymore? It only takes inches of movement to make a punch a glancing blow, and moments for a wrestler to have control.

epcfast: You stated that concrete or street conditions are a disadvantage to a wrestler, they do better with mats. LMAO, slam someone's head into a mat, then do it on concrete. Report back the results. Nevermind, I already know.

Why is it dumb when it has been proven over and over again? Not debated, proven. But yeah, deny the truth. You talk about some of the greatest boxers, but put them up against the greatest wrestlers, they lose, easily. They lose easily against college wrestlers.

What do u guys think would've happened if instead of redbeard it was chino rheem getting attacked by the goon?

Ok...so I talked to Eric yesterday and he said that his buddy aka "the goon" attacked red beard on his own free will...he even points out in the video that you can hear him telling the goon to stop...you can actually hear him in the background if you pay attention...he's not coming on here to defend/ explain himself even tho he's aware this thread exists...not sure what that's worth, but I'm just passing it along...don't shoot the messenger

I'm not stating a boxer would win, I'm trying to say i don't think it's as clear cut as people are making out. Obviously no one would stand there and let them land a punch, but people don't move in boxing, do they?

I agree if a wrestler grappled a boxer they would be in trouble. I just don't think it would go down so easy. Good boxers are very quick, that's part of the game. Ever seen them move? They're like cats.

Brick wall behind negates many takedowns, concrete floor means it's far easier to break a hold and a knockdown from either side can easily result in a fractured skull.
Also how many wrestlers are willing to risk killing someone in a street fight by deliberately slamming their head into it.
You seriously underestimate a professional boxers ability to finish a fight in the first exchange by KO or broken ribs.Far easier to find the target with no gloves.
I said I'd bet on the professional boxer v college wrestler at equal weights in a street fight - most here seem to think the wrestler would be long odds on and are very much mistaken.
And when it comes to dealing with multiple opponents (always an extremely important consideration in any street fight) it's not even close.
But you just keep on being deluded

Wrestling moves work a lot better in an mma match than in a street fight. Most of their moves don't do too much damage. They are good for neutralizing, and not getting beat up, but they usually don't hurt the other guy very much. So if the wrestler "wins" the fight, the boxer isn't really in too bad of shape. But a boxer on the other hand, with no gloves, can do some damage. So if by some chance he does win the fight, the wrestler is going to be ****ed up afterwards.

Also most street fights I've seen have involved a lot more punching than wrestling. These aren't fair, one on one fights though. They almost always start with one guy throwing a punch and a melee breaking out. Wrestlers don't usually have enough time or room to do their moves and inflict damage. Of the wrestlers I know, every time I've seen them get in bar fights, they come out swinging, not wrestling. That is only for one on one fights.

When you are backed against a brick wall, it also makes it much more difficult to punch or kick with power. It's why in karate they teach to punch with power using your body like a pendulum, rotating your body into the punch, with the opposite fist rotating back to help build momentum.

No, it makes it much easier for the wrestler to fracture your skull.

every single accomplished wrestler I've ever met.

This is the point where you really wander off into weeds of delusion. Have you even met a wrestler before? Are you under some delusion that they think rationally about long term consequences? You apparently have never heard of "curbing" or curb-stomping. A favorite move of wrestlers. Disgusting and not allowed in competition obviously.

I spent a year in a 4 man workout group on a college team, of the other three, two won multiple national championships, one missed weight or surely would have won one. One became a two time US Olympian, another was an alternate. So I have a little experience with the mentality.

At the end of the season, they complimented me on my flexibility and said they couldn't believe I was never seriously hurt, because they really tried. But all those minor injuries they gave me (the bruises, the black eyes, the concussion) were good for toughening me up, they added.

Pretty difficult to punch people with a broken hand, which is what often happens when punching without gloves, and the exact reason why boxing uses gloves. Gloves in boxing aren't meant to protect the participants heads, it's to protect their hands to ensure the bout can go lots of rounds.

There might be a video on this thread that refutes exactly this.

This is just silly, the artificial demarcation between street fight and MMA. MMA is the closest thing to a street fight there is. It's padded floor and chain walls help boxers more than they help wrestlers, yet without hard surfaces to slam their opponents into they still do pretty well, because you don't have to be a skilled puncher if your opponent is on the ground and you are on top, which is what happens 100% when a skilled boxer meets a skilled wrestler.

Apparently a trained boxer is so punch drunk already that while he's on the ground getting kicked and punched in the head he loses no further brain cells?

Again, gloves help the boxer, and see "curbing".

****ty street fighters still fight, news at eleven.

How much time or room do you need to trip/tackle/throw someone on the ground and choke them out or punch them into submission? Answer: Almost none.

All this critiquing of wrestling techniques by guys who don't have a clue to what it is or how it's applied is just evading the real question.

How do boxers break clinches in a street fight without a ref to bail them out?

How can they throw punches when their opponents are holding them?

A lot of wrestling technique is simple hand fighting, controlling your opponent by controlling their hands/arms. If you can do that well, it's really hard for your opponent to ever hit you with any power whatsoever, and it's easy for you to trip, throw, or simply tackle them to the ground, and control them while you beat them into submission.

If someone gets on this thread and says skilled martial artist such as in brazilian Jui-Jitsu, or a skilled kick boxer with submission defense skills would do better in street fights than a wrestler I wouldn't argue, much. But Boxing? Really? Boxing is the most artificial, watered down, combat sport ever. It's rules have NOTHING to do with real fighting. It's designed to let boxing matches go far longer than a street fight ever would, simply for entertainment purposes.

A classic boxer devotes 100% of their time and energy training to punch and defend punches at an artificial distance from opponents not allowed to kick, grab, hold, trip, throw, choke, bite, or apply arm or leg locks, and in contests where the ref will separate them constantly. Street fights rarely stay at a distance, almost always involve grappling, either on your feet or the ground.

Even college wrestling matches frequently devolved into near brawls. The captain of that team I was on, a Nat Champ contender himself, had his middle finger snapped by a desperate opponent in regionals. Our captain won the match anyways but only finished as an all-american, it was difficult to lock holds anymore with his broken finger in a big cast. I saw wresters bite, gouge, try to tear their opponents ACL or MCLs, etc. Their rule was protect yourself, don't count on the ref, and if you can't protect yourself, you better not get on the mat with us.

A street brawl was just a small step away for many of those guys, which is why they ended up in so many of them.

Desert, finally someone lays it all out. Ty. Now someone post more poker fight videos. Or fight videos of any sort that are worthy.

Desert, he will never know or understand.

One of the most important facts that separates wrestling from boxing is the wrestlers ability to initiate a takedown from a much farther distance than a boxer can throw a punch.

Believing that a boxer can keep a wrestler off of him by simply punching might be the dumbest argument ever. Every wrestler knows better. Not to mention the fact that it has been proven over and over again.

OMG LOL. I thought casinos were a safe enviroment. LOL

The reason the moves don't appear to do much damage- padded ground and ref jumps in before something is broken or separated.

Most wrestlers do come out swinging, but the first hint of trouble and the training will take over.

"That is only for one on one fights"

Boxing, wrestling, jiu-jitsu, krag mav, eye gouging, ball busting, etc. No form of self defense is good for fights against multiple people. Beating up five people intent on kicking your ass only happens in the movies. Or maybe where epcfast lives- fantasyland.

what difference does it make if you're a boxing or ufc champion.

Your sitting at the table and the guy that mouths of at you is a known drug lord, what ya gonna do hit him? lol

Red was throwing that dude around like a bitch. Steroid guy failed so hard at his punches too lol. I love how red beats his ass then vaults him over to the security.

Gawddayum!

Im not saying wrestlers, especially college wrestlers aren't some of the biggest bad asses around, I'm just saying that when it comes time for a brawl, most of their moves go out the window, and they are throwing punches or doing other things that have nothing to do with college wrestling. I know a guy who wrestled at Virginia, and the last fight he was in ended with him head butting the other guy and smashing his face. Not a wrestling move, and yet it was his go to.

Obviously you aren't a golfer (or youtube fan). There are dozens if not hundreds of videos on youtube of fights where one guy beats up 3+ guys.

Often times in a fight you work off instinct, and as such a wrestler will default to wrestling because it's what they know (it is what they train day in and day out). FWIW, headbutting was the bread and butter attack strategy of wrestlers in early UFCs. Head butts have since been disallowed, primarily because they often lead to fight ending cuts (boring way to end a fight).

This thread went pretty off-topic and we never did get a hand history. Tonight a player told me in the big $40k pot red beard actually put all his money in the middle preflop without looking at his hand. Any truth to this? It was said that his holdings were pretty weak but obviously they connected with the board.

Also, heard that in addition to crushing goons, red beard has been absolutely crushing the cash games as of late. Good work red beard!

LMAO THIS!!!

Picard>Kirk which adds to the credibility of wrestlers>boxers

What's worth noting is had redbeard been say, Ike Haxton how there wouldn't have been a single punch thrown, let alone a brawl. Now we have two cardroom brawls with national exposure hardening the belief that all poker players are just degen gamblers.

On second thought, maybe these are good for getting poker back online.