I'm not out to get Lucid, for the record (though I'm not confusing him with anyone else), and it's not up to me whether he rips people or not. I also didn't post my reply to burn him. I meant it when I asked, "Why do you do this?" And I think he gave a legit, mature answer.

It's still somewhat immature to just flame him in public all the time just because he doesn't like the guy..... has leatherass really done something wrong?

Just a quick note. Whenever I meet someone who claims he's some sort of mathematician and I have my doubts, my question for them is "Can you tell me what a Group is?" Works every time.

MM

LucidDream loves to troll.

i dont think in any way that i deserve to win as much or more than LA. he has put in way more hours playing than i have and plays more tables. as many things as i dislike about LA the one thing about him i do respect is his work ethic. the guy puts in his work, period.

ive addressed it before so i will be fairly brief and im not going to address it again. i dislike LA because of how he handles himself in pretty much every etiquette related aspect of poker. i really dont have a problem with the bumhunting in general. its not something ppl are going to stop doing nor will i ever be able to make them. what i do have a problem w/ is the extreme LA takes it to. i wont list all the points of this, ive listed them before as have many other MSNL players. irockhoes made a great post proving pretty much all my points w/ hard evidence in another thread awhile back.

why would i drop it simply because im not jealous of him? i am trying to make other ppl, LA followers realize that what he is doing is not the way to go about things. it hurts the current state of the games and also the overall longevity of the game. every fish who leaves poker w/ a sour taste in their mouth because extreme bumhunters are sitting out when they do(i have seen multiple chats w/ fish accusing the ppl at the table of working together, cheating, etc) hurts poker overall.

this game used to be about providing entertainment for a fish so that he was happy to lose his money to u or at least didnt leave feeling cheated, just for the entertainment he received and the gamble. now ppl are so focused on never playing a hand of poker that doesnt have a fish in it that they are losing focus of the big picture. for every fish we lose to poker this way just makes the games tougher.

fwiw, if LA were to change his ways and start helping start games, not sit out when fish do, etc....i would be one of the first ppl to give him props. but as for now i disagree w/ how he conducts himself and am vocal about it in hopes that ppl will see how bad it is for poker and not do the same thing.

fwiw i dont think ur confusing my 2p2 name w/ someone else. i do think u are either confusing my ftp name w/ someone else or u are severely misinformed about how i conduct myself at the tbl w/ regards to etiquette/chat. the only chat u will really find of me berating someone is them sitting out when a fish does...as i said 99.9% of the time i dont even chat at the tbl.

care to explain what u were talking about in regards to that?

Lucid is the man lol nice op

dont be bitter i called u out on multiaccounting, then u said i had no proof, then i stepped forward w/ proof. we all know ur a multiaccount shortstacker so when it comes to conversations of ethics or etiquette ur opinion has ZERO value.

Haha, I remember this guy from the STTF forum a few years back. He'd come up with a new mathematical formula or something that was better than ICM. He seemed FOS and when people called him out he called them scrubs and basicly left the forum for good.

Or such is my recollection (perhaps biased by this thread).

Interesting to know he also solved PLO cap games in his spare time.

When I read it was code654321 who was the scammer I was not very surprised, but I don't value my opinion all that highly.

MARK MY WORDS. I AM GOING TO PISS ALL OVER YOUR HEROES.

good troll. see u in the next ethics/etiquette discussion where u seem to always pop up to give ur 2 cents on the matter. the problem is ppl dont want the opinions of a cheater. btw hows that shortstacking bot coming along?

Is there any chance someone archived these before they were taken down?
I never saw them.

wat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_(mathematics)

Interestingly enough, that is my dork test

LOL

I know who you are on ftp, the period I'm talking about is from when we played 400NL together well over a year ago, no I don't wish to sift through thousands of HHs and 2p2 posts to prove it. If you say you never do that now, I take you at your word. I was sorta just hoping you'd stop filling NVG with posts like your OP.

How come this gets a thread of it's own in NVG, but the thread discussing the actual details get's moved to the coaching forum? Priorities are askew it seems.

Cuz NVG ****s up the threads. It belongs in the coaching forum.

Reading that Jason Ho stuff makes me sick. Not only am I WAY too honest/helpful to my students, my GOD am I a coaching fish. I felt bad about charging $80 an hour to FieryJustice back in 2006 after like 10 hours of lessons...

HTF can people live with themselves scamming people like that? I mean, agreeing to pay some of those outrageous coaching prices gets you into "you deserve what you got" territory, but seriously, how can anyone justify that crap without just being an outright thief?

It seems his business model was: stealing other peoples money.

The Three Alls brings several great reasons for LA not bringing JH's antics to Stox management. To be honest, I think LA really had no clue, but when all of this came to light, he might have found it as a good opportunity to let the world know how smart he was, not realizing that his statements would be intrepeted like he knew JH was scamming people and did nothing. Could that be so far fetched? People in general like to act like they knew stuff like this was going on before it comes to light, after everyone finds out.

Like when the Bernie Madoff thing happened, how many respected people in the industry felt something was not right with his fund, AFTER THE FACT.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...l-play-100383/

is the thread...read it and weap if you're trying to figure out WTF he is talking about.

wowowowowo

this is sooooooooooo gold.

please elaborate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_%28mathematics%29