I hear the state of texas is looking to shut down card rooms. If true, the 3 amigos, may have invested in something about to go belly up.

They should be more concerned about the negative backlash on customer satisfaction and loyalty that could result in response to the controversial rake issue.

Who did you get that info from? Ken Paxton?

What rake issue are you referring to?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...event-1803722/

This is silly. Go ahead and get a friend and try this terrible collusion method. You'll both get crushed over time.

Thanks for the link. Look like the tournament is hugely popular and just some tournament nerds on 2plus2 are upset about it. Perhaps those geeks should stop playing the tournament and force Doug's hand to lower the fee.

I'm highly skeptical of that. The team players can create a much bigger pot when their equity is highest. They can also use this to deny equity to opponents. Other players have to be worried about them but they don't have to be afraid of one another since they are splitting the money.

People who have to collude to win in live plo probably aren’t smart enough to do it correctly

Think Paxton is too concerned about fighting democrats on culture war stuff to care about poker rooms. The entire Republican state agenda is focused on CRT, trans rights, abortion, forcing kids to say the pledge of allegiance. Basic culture war stuff that will get the base riled up. Very little time to go after poker rooms when your agenda is so full.

lol yes this - people will always find something to moan about, poker players more than most.

This.

I suppose you could signal to someone when you have a nut flush blocker, but other than that, there really isn't much people can be doing at live games that are typically 8-9 handed. As long as people aren't speaking to each during hands in a language I don't understand, I've never feared collusion in a live game. Players that are dealt strong hands aren't folding them, and some silly reraising each other preflop strategy would mostly just ramp up the colluders variance, and probably be -ev.

ew texas

There's a guy where I play who acts like this who will antagonize somebody saying don't talk to me for five minutes while the other guy is silent then when the other guy finally says something floor is inevitably called over he acts innocent saying I told him to stop talking to me and he said something.

So you think Asian guy in the wrong?

Asian guy is not in the wrong for about the first 10 seconds. After that he's 100% into wrong and getting wronger. His wrongness is like x^3-2 where y>0.

LMAOOOOO ben is such a ****ing pos, LMAOOO I would legit try to tilt him on purpose. thats so weak for him to spaz out like that

Who doesn't?

Ben was very salty and bitter the whole time. I would have just quit

Have to strongly disagree. Once I quit a game - my best game by far - for this very reason. Two people colluding in omaha by raising and re-raising each other to squeeze others out or get it three ways is a difficult strategy to counter...even if you wait for the best hand preflop, you will be a dog and together they will have an equity advantage, when playing 5c even moreso. In multiway all-ins they will also have a sizeable equity advantage over the field since no one is pushing a very large edge with 4+ opponents, except for the colluders who usually will (again) DOUBLE their equity unless they have the misfortune of overlapping cards. So yes, people colluding through their bets preflop do have a large edge.

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600,000 trials (Randomized)
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Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
xxxx	25.96%	149,365	12,909
xxxx	26.11%	150,230	12,912
5%	47.93%	284,266	6,652

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When colluders wait for top `15% hands it gets even worse for the non-colluder waiting for a premium:

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600,000 trials (Randomized)
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Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
15%	29.72%	171,035	14,677
15%	29.81%	171,618	14,644
5%	40.47%	233,984	17,732

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So, the top 5% hand is still getting it's money in a good +ev way, while the colluders are -ev?

Seems like they'd be better off just playing good poker with their top 15% hands.

Your logic here is just fail. In the 2 examples, they have a combined equity of 52% and 59.5%. In both examples, they've put in 66.6% of the chips. So their strategy is losing them money in these scenarios. Nothing to worry about at all.

I mean, it would be annoying to play with these colluders, and I could understand not wanting to. But there is nothing about what they are doing that is benefitting them financially. They are both playing badly in this example.

I've changed my mind... People who collude to win in live plo probably just win because people are terrible.

The people who cry about colluders definitely aren't smart enough to beat live plo though.

So the colluders are shoveling there money with less than 66% combined equity. The other player can just call down and profit? Still haven’t seen a convincing explanation for what a collusion strategy would look like for PLO bomb pots. Beyond the usual one of communicating nut flush blockers. But that can be done in regular PLO too, by players who have folded pre flop.

I'll make a statement but I'm not going to go into the theory of explaining it thoroughly cause it's exhausting.

In situations where equities run close together (double board/plo preflop etc) collusion is less valuable and requires a lot more coordination then spots where equities are far apart (nlhe preflop/rivers in any game/monotone boards and paired boards).

Reason is simple the dead money counts for less because the colluders retain all the equity anyways so they can force players to not realize or have to put more money in to decide (worse pot odds) in these situations and is more dangerous. The only difference is it's easier to differentiate when a player continuously squeezes people in NLHE or spots where his hand doesn't make sense vs just gambling like crazy with another gambler in plo/bomb pots which is almost always the case in live plo.

I've lost a lot of money to players who were almost definitely colluding in nlhe where 1 player had a set and another player squeezed me out for him OTF. There's been very few situations where players attempting to collude in plo didnt help my equity and are too dumb to realize what their doing is -EV/easy to combat and they were monotone boards almost always so looked incredibly fishy.

All my examples assume all in preflop scenarios, which the colluders can manipulate at will. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. Combined they clearly have an equity advantage and a sizeable one at that, for plo standards at least.

do u understand pot odds at all?