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09-25-2013 , 09:03 AM
cliffs on this? too long to read since I only kept up until about page 20
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09-25-2013 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by NerdSuperfly
wow, this is probably one of the stupidest posts i've read here. do you really think, a player is more 'in danger' b/c he books his room now ... lmao!



another brilliant mind

seriously: what can PS do?
Another big joke is, that a lot of ppl itt blaming PS ... this is what's wrong with the poker community! Instead of looking for a solution, you're looking for a scapegoat and hoping for some kind of 'deus ex machina'.

Sure PS can warn their players, but the safety of your personal belongings is the business of the hotel and yourself! PokerStars is just booking the rooms, the best thing they can do is to 'put pressure' on the management. I don't say PS did everything the could do (on the other hand most of us don't know, what they did), but blaming them for the problems is just wrong.

the rant is over
Stars may not be able to do anything about the incidents already reported at 3 (maybe more?) different stops, but they could absolutely spend a little time and/or money either educating players or putting some sort of protection in place. Regardless of what they can or can't do, silence makes the players feel like a low priority.*

*Yes, I did see the statement on Pokerfuse.
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09-26-2013 , 03:43 AM
ya we have understood that by now
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09-26-2013 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by IWEARGOGGLES
Stars may not be able to do anything about the incidents already reported at 3 (maybe more?) different stops, but they could absolutely spend a little time and/or money either educating players or putting some sort of protection in place. Regardless of what they can or can't do, silence makes the players feel like a low priority.*

*Yes, I did see the statement on Pokerfuse.
yes & no imo ... i think AT THIS POINT PS should definitely warn players and even should offer some sort of protection (e.g. soft and hardware at the VIP shop, security 'add-on' at future stopps). i don't know, if they plan something like this, and if so, how fast they have all the deals (w/ the suppliers).

About the "silence". i think PS never posts somehow confidential information, it's always some kind of black box, where you only get some output at the end of the process. pretty much community customer communication 101.


i'm 100% sure, PS takes it very serious ... NOW. i don't believe that PS was aware, that this is a BIG PROBLEM b/f barca. my guess is, that the incidents at berlin & deauville were treated as 'one time things'. and btw. We still don't know, if the attempts in barcelona are somehow related to the other stopps.

like i said before, the idea of implementing trojans on the computer of a poker player isn't new and if you don't have access to the computer (b/c you don't know the guy), you have to wait until you know, where his computer is. it would be foolish to think, only one criminal had the idea of attacking poker players, when they stay in a hotel. and it would be even more foolish, to think this is just a problem @ EPT stopps!


maybe Jason and Scott talked to the wrong ppl, or just weren't "loud enough". jens posted it 'big style' and the thread got many clicks. like other nvg threads, it went to the news sites. some ppl came from the news to the thread and posted additional information.

AND we shouldn't forget. Jens only got suspicious, because he met Ignat. If that didn't happen, he probably wouldn't have started the thread and most of us wouldn't be aware of the situation!

so without trying to 'defend' PS, but i think from their pov, it wasn't a big think in berlin/deauville. i can't remember reading something similar before, so i think 98%+ of 2+2 didn't know about berlin and deauville before jens' thread. therefore it's BS to say, this is some sort of long known problem to PS and they just didn't care.
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09-28-2013 , 10:24 AM
There is some poker security software coming soon, a user friendly Linux OS which boots into a Windows shell with poker only software...you boot clean from a USB or CD so no remote viewer software can install(theortically).

http://pokerfuse.com/news/media-and-...er-play-26-09/
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09-28-2013 , 01:11 PM
I remember when I was on holiday in Spain.
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09-29-2013 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ChoakMyDee
There is some poker security software coming soon, a user friendly Linux OS which boots into a Windows shell with poker only software...you boot clean from a USB or CD so no remote viewer software can install(theortically).

http://pokerfuse.com/news/media-and-...er-play-26-09/
I moved further discussion of this to the NVG thread about the topic:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ayers-1375513/
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10-07-2013 , 11:45 PM
I read the whole op and just had a few questions. How much money was took in the end? And i assume from the guys poker account? Surely pokerstars could have logged on straight away and blocked whichever account the money was sent to?
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10-08-2013 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Moneyboy88
I read the whole op and just had a few questions. How much money was took in the end? And i assume from the guys poker account? Surely pokerstars could have logged on straight away and blocked whichever account the money was sent to?
it's not about stealing money (via transfer or chipdump), it's about the idea of implementing trojans to 'super use' poker-pros. this means, that you see the holecards from your opponent and win a ton of money from them.

afaik jeans didn't post any results (if his computer is infected) yet, but other poker players had similar problems so the 'trojan theory' seems legit (or at least as the most obvious one)
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10-08-2013 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by NerdSuperfly
- do you really think, that the hotel management cares that much? PS needs the arts more than the arts needs PS!!
HELL NO!!Why the hell would a 5 star hotel give a **** about its guests?!!
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another brilliant mind
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… I guess most off you watched too much TV and really believe that a police officer tries to solve every case,...
Of course I don't. I figured they only wasted time on the cool cases.

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another brilliant mind
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Originally Posted by NerdSuperfly
... Instead of looking for a solution,...
Whos job is it to figure out how to best protect its customers?

Maybe its time for PS to stop cherry picking the biggest poker forum ITW for ideas of how to make their brand more appealing to the masses and start earning the cash they siphon on their own accord.

Sure its great to save a **** ton on R&D,M&A etc by establishing themselves with a poker forum full of otherwise intelligent, starstruck fanboys eager to brag to their friends about how they "...talk to reps from PS all the time..." or are prevy to info the general public may not be aware of as a result of PSs presence, and yada yada. It's actually a pretty slick pick imo... why pay for something you can get for free.

My opinion on this Cherrypicking matter is not dissimilar to how some feel about sharing poker strat and theory on this very site.

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10-09-2013 , 12:43 AM
is this over?
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10-09-2013 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by dumanis
is this over?
Did it ever really begin?
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10-09-2013 , 03:03 AM
Forgive my naivete but what is it presumed they were doing if they were not directly withdrawing/transferring poker site funds or getting your bank details?
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10-09-2013 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 46&2
Whos job is it to figure out how to best protect its customers?
so you think PS is liable b/c jeans played the highroller ... so everywhere jeans was in barcelona, PS had to protect him? or is it just b/c they booked the hotel?

sure PS tries to do something, but since they neither own the hotel, nor they have law enforcement powers/rights they need the help from the hotel staff and police.


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HELL NO!!Why the hell would a 5 star hotel give a **** about its guests?!!
yeah, very funny .... but actually that was the point. if you would have read jeans whole story. the arts didn't seem much interested at all.

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Nothing has gone missing, you already got a room upgrade and free roomservice, what more do you want?
this means: they indeed give a f*** ... maybe would be different, if a wealthy businessmen had booked the room for himself and is a regular guest. they don't know jeans and he isn't an important customer ... so you pretend to do something (or you do at least anything), and then you look after the other guests your daily work.


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Originally Posted by 46&2
Of course I don't. I figured they only wasted time on the cool cases.
yeah, you tried to be funny again ..... sure police not just tries to solve the cool cases, but as it was mentioned itt, barcelona police is understaffed ... so please tell me: what do you think, how much priority they have for jeans' case?

from their pov:
- nothing stolen
- weird story from a young guy

okay, i have to admit. finally ps got the special squad. they solve cyber crime and all that stuff. But still, no evidence so far (jeans took his laptop to finland) and they only thing, why there is a case at all, is probably the video material from the floor at humans room ...

So do you really think, that a 'police special team' invests a lot of time, to get this case closed? yeah, it depends on the other cases they have!

police can't solve every crime, some cases are just written down and the files get dusty. I don't say police won't do anything in jeans' case, but it is highly likely, that other cases have a higher priority.



so instead of 'misquoting' me, please tell me what PS can do atm?
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10-09-2013 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbulenc3
Forgive my naivete but what is it presumed they were doing if they were not directly withdrawing/transferring poker site funds or getting your bank details?
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Originally Posted by NerdSuperfly
it's not about stealing money (via transfer or chipdump), it's about the idea of implementing trojans to 'super use' poker-pros. this means, that you see the holecards from your opponent and win a ton of money from them.

afaik jeans didn't post any results (if his computer is infected) yet, but other poker players had similar problems so the 'trojan theory' seems legit (or at least as the most obvious one)
this
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10-09-2013 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NerdSuperfly
afaik jeans didn't post any results (if his computer is infected) yet, but other poker players had similar problems so the 'trojan theory' seems legit (or at least as the most obvious one)
Other people had similar problems with room keys, weird phone calls and laptops disappearing, but has there been any confirmed trojans installed on some player's laptop during this or any previous EPT event?
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10-09-2013 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by quadas
Other people had similar problems with room keys, weird phone calls and laptops disappearing, but has there been any confirmed trojans installed on some player's laptop during this or any previous EPT event?
idk ... but i guess, that a good root kit / trojan (sry, despite my name i'm a noob) isn't always detectable


anyway:

just stumbled over this article ... is about hotel security in las vegas:

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Yet, The Associated Press found that 23 of the 27 major Strip casinos have no surveillance in hotel hallways or elevator landings. All but four of the 27 hotels are owned by MGM Resorts International, Caesars Entertainment Corp., Las Vegas Sands Corp. or Wynn Resorts Ltd.

[...]

"People have a false sense of safety when they go to a casino," security consultant Fred Del Marva said. "You think, 'I'm going to Bellagio, they have 2,000 surveillance cameras, so I'm going to be safe.' And you're wrong. The level of security at the hotel level is zero."

Tourist Allyson Rainey said she wishes she'd known no one was monitoring the hallways of Harrah's hotel-casino before her computer was stolen from her room last year. A police detective caught the thief after spotting him clutching her distinctive laptop bag in hotel lobby footage.

But Rainey said more cameras at the Caesars-owned hotel could have prevented the crime.

"The detective told us that the guy had a keycard made, and he was going from hotel to hotel," she said. "He had been doing this for the last eight years, so he obviously knew they didn't have cameras there."
source: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013...ey-not-guests/
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10-09-2013 , 03:55 PM
There is a thread in HSNL about a possible security issue at the EPT London. Someones (whitelime) laptop detected other devices on his network....

Last edited by GMLAW; 10-09-2013 at 03:57 PM. Reason: Username of poster (whitelime)
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10-09-2013 , 04:05 PM
Where the **** is jeans?
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10-09-2013 , 05:15 PM
Yeah at least explain where you are in the process of finding out what happened.

What were the results from the security consultants?

What are Stars saying about it?

Have you signed some sort of NDA?
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10-09-2013 , 05:30 PM
Dude got robbed nearly why is this thread so long? the dude can afford to go to space.

some mega rich poker pro nearly got laptop robbed so what, **** like this happens every day
peeps are always goin try and rob people its like how its always been man.

chill and scam someone else so it evens out and therefore it never happened.
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10-09-2013 , 05:31 PM
if the police took it seriously (which is doubtful) he might be asked not to post about it on a public forum. If there is a prosecution pending, he wouldn't be able to post about it.
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10-09-2013 , 10:22 PM
this is a scary situation to say the least, I hope it gets resolved
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10-09-2013 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by alexo18
Where the **** is jeans?
Quite obvious that lawyers/police is involved and he's not allowed to talk about it since it's under investigation.

Or he's busy rubbing millions on his titties.
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