Fatal Error - do you accept Sebok's apology?

+1 to this. I have no interest in seeing Joe or Paul or anyone else dragged through the NVG lynch mob. It's simply not productive.

I would hope Haley would be one of the questioners.

Stopped reading there. What exactly is he risking? His spotless reputation?

There is nothing noble or brave about anything said in this thread. It's just a juvenile backhanded apology and lots of "I dunno, lol" answers.

I think his job actually, read further. Companies don't like people who go on public forums to clean up their own dirt.

Werent you making a plea to Jon to stop speaking about UB?
Isnt that exactly what you were doing by threatening his GF's image?, ie. blackmail, ie below the belt

oh god, please just ignore everyone else in this thread and reply to mookman. please, just one time joe. they are very simple questions, he even gave you examples.

I didn't, not for one second. It was obvious that the original complainant was trying to manipulate how people interpreted the material. That's why I went to Twitter and read the actual exchange. If anyone else had, they wouldn't have read it that way, either.

In this very thread Joe claims that his superiors don't care if he makes a fool of himself publicly.

I missed that, this thread was a lot to digest but ok.

Thank you for reiterating my question, goofy. I asked twice with no response. Much appreciated.

Joe, I think it'd be a very healthy thing for him to come on here and answer some of the questions. In my opinion, it's wrong of anyone to assume that you know every single detail of the companies inner-workings...we understand that you have to rely on Paul's word in regards to a lot of things regarding the scandal. There's a lot of very reasonable, and civil, questions that he could help shed light on (especially being someone who claims to "want the truth out"). If he is legitimately un-involved with the cheating and wants to bring the truth forward as bad as we do (which you have expressed numerous times), then why isn't he helping us out? He should be on the front line with us, trying to clear his name and trying to clear the "new ownerships" name. No?

Paul Leggett's strict silence is a VERY main reason why we, as a community, refuse to believe he is innocent and refuse to believe a word he speaks through some PR-riddled press release. Coming from someone who has worked in publicity for the past 3 years, he is handling himself in the exact opposite way of someone who is innocent should be handling themselves. As a publicist, I would literally tell my clients to do the opposite of what Paul is doing if they were accused of something they didn't do on a massively public level. His silence speaks volumes. Get him in here!

Even if the mods had to select a group of 10-20 people that had exclusive access to the thread (to filter the bull**** and keep it legitimate), it'd be an amazing conversation and really help the investigation.

Seems like your decision to affiliate yourself with UB was based on nothing more than blind faith in whatever the company reps decided to tell you. Pretty weird that you would just decide to "believe" everything that UB had to say to you without demanding further evidence, especially given UB's checkered past. If they did prove it to you then why not share your secret information with the rest of us?

What reasons do you have to believe that the current management didn't have a hand in covering anything up? Seems to me that you don't have proof either way. So are you just hoping?

Why should the public have to prove to you that the current ownership is different from the former ownership? Isn't this something you should have demanded be proven to you before signing up?

lol, imagine UB firing Joe atm

You're out of line. In Sebok's apology he says that he was not actually threatening to reveal anything about JA or his girlfriend. He says it was just a poor choice of words (ie he meant that we all have done things we are not proud of.).

Minutes later he snaps back at JA and confirms to the whole world that there indeed was some piece of information that JA would not want to get out about his girlfriend. Thus implicating her in some sort of wrongdoing without getting into any detail.

That's pretty LOL to me.

I don't understand why you would sign up with the site Joe. You seem like a good guy, and it seems like you came here to kinda just talk with the people and face the problem which I think is great, but I still don't understand why you got yourself into this problem. You didn't cheat, you weren't associated, so why did you jump into a crappy situation? Was it just because you wanted the security of a paycheck from a poker site? I really don't understand why you would associate your name/image with such a sketchy site. Really, all this drama about you can be related back to the decision of signing on with UB. You got yourself involved in a mess when you didn't have to. Or did you have to? Was money that tight?

Also, just want to say I think you handled the tweet stuff well afterwords and don't see why it was even brought into the public eyes.

+1
sorry to offend you Joe and some other posters ,but thats serious issue.
a company rep tells someone to chill out about this company or he ll expose skeletons.
thats not a "twitter" debate, thats UB blackmailing ffs !!!

UB isn't just any company, they're a company with an ongoing public relations nightmare that doesn't ever seem to resolve itself. They really don't need another one.

[x] blackmail
[x] want to find out about the skeleton
[ ] honest apology

i wish more of you would read things a little more critically. several of you literally just repeat the same thing over, after i have answered them.

mook, can throw your post in an email and shoot it to me, pls? you have the address. i will look into it.

i think many of you are forgetting what i try to be here. i am trying to be a conduit for information. i never professed that i would have all the answers, in fact i have said quite the opposite. i just want to help people to get those answers, if we can. i'm not going to be a prime resource for all the cheating info. i could never touch the amount of time that haley, mook, etc have put into it. if you guys want to insult me for that or call me names, that's your prerogative, but i will remain here, attempting to get things to come out. maybe i am naive, but i'll keep trying.

ty now back to post #3

props to joe win lose or draw coming on 2+2 is
WINNING

Joe, I am perfectly happy to let everyone know why we keep bringing up the same stuff. That's your call. You know exactly why we mentioned it.

That's your business.

I find it most insulting that Joe has championed his intentions since his affiliation with UB "as uncovering facts/making progress/cleaning up the image" - rather than "making money."

Then when presented with information about the cheating/inconsistencies/questions, he:
-Doesn't know, you'll have to ask someone else about that.
-Is unable to access that information because he is only "a sponsored UB pro."

It is both insulting and disingenuous that he pretends to care about the truth regarding the UB cheating/coverup but refuses to partake in the investigation and barely understands most of it's history.

I'd have (some, maybe?) respect for him if he just said something like:
"I signed with UB to make money. I tried to get information about the UB cheating, but the upper level guys I talked to didn't tell me much. They gave me some names one time to release. I am not interested in doing anything further than that."

joe, its not because we can't read, its because we aren't satisfied with your answers.

I agree

your trying way to hard

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