didnt know who maurice hawkins was so had to google him, looks like purple aki...

He's relatively well known in Florida and maybe the southeast because he's had a few decent cashes and is one of the most boisterous players on the felt, but you are 100% correct that he's not as well known as he thinks he is. I've always gotten the impression that he truly believes he's the greatest gift to poker, ever.

You've already explained this many times OP. Browser obv can't read.

Not sure why you singled out my post when tens of other posters have echoed the same thing, but:

1. Maurce Hawkins isn't a notable poker pro. Nobody knows who he is aside from those who have played with him.

2. It's called hyperbole. And lol @ arguing over semantics.

3. Cool story bro. OP seems like a majorly sensitive child who had to resort to writing an 800 word exposition in an effort to destroy the reputations of two people because some nobody was rude to him at the poker table.

Whether you agree with how OP acted at the time or not, I don't see how anyone can defend OP coming in here and writing this novel that is clearly designed to harm the reputation of someone who was rude to him and also someone who simply didn't rush to his defense and maybe smirked or rolled her eyes or something.

OP has every right to write this. More people should be calling out this wanna be tough guy douche Maurice.

"Lower players". Is that how you really think of us? Jesus, May all your draws miss for a week for a comment like that.

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I'm guessing it's a typo of "slower".

Yes, I want people to be uncomfortable acting like *******s and calling out bad behavior is one of our best tools, especially when the floor is just going to give him warnings over and over. What ever happened to the penalty tracking system and escalating punishments?

Ok, there's a difference between warning everyone about a scammer and warning everyone about someone who's kind of obnoxious. You can just call the floor or ask him directly to stop instead of slinking off and blogging about it on 2p2.

Also, even if publicly shaming MH is somehow necessary and for the greater good of the poker community (lolz), it doesn't mitigate the fact that OP took this opportunity to denigrate Maria Ho essentially because she didn't jump to his defense. I don't think it was fair of OP at all to drag other people into this -- especially when they did virtually nothing wrong AFAIK.

read the thread, he did call the floor and Maria slowrolled/angleshot

Melanie makes an appearance in this thread

I asked Maria about this incident today.

I've read everything. Read my post. I was speaking in generalities about handling MH, and also re-read the second paragraph of what I wrote, which actually is the crux of my argument.

Very good post. I am not saying that because Maria Ho is a cutie either(not sexist)

It sounds like she did what a lot of people do that don't want to show their hand, the say "you win" and wait till their opponent turns over their hand before mucking, this is BS, either show your hand or fold it, enough with this pushing your hand 1 centimeter forward making it ambiguous to the dealer and then demanding to see your opponents hand, that's a straight up angle shot, especially if it's a timid amateur dealer scared to death to make a mistake, they will never grab your hand from right in front of you. She says she "verbally conceded the pot" what is she talking about? By her statements it's obvious it was an unconventional "fold", I mean she had to clarify that it was "verbally conceded". Fold your hand, throw it to the muck, once it's in the muck then you can ask about your opponent's hand. This behavior wastes time and if the dealer doesn't drag the cards into the muck because they are still in front of you where a live hand would be, it's an angle shot that exploits less assertive dealers. She seems like a nice person but wtf was she trying to do by not throwing her hand into the muck and instead "verbally conceding" while her cards were "within reach of the dealer", seriously what was she doing? Was she trying to needle him? Angle shoot him?

I've been burned at the WSOP by a similar situation and the OP is within his rights and actually should wait till the dealer drags her hand into the muck before tabling his hand. Last year at the WSOP I was in the BB, the SB completed and the hand was checked all the way to the river when the SB open folded his hand by throwing towards the muck. Someone then said a winning hand has to be shown so I turned my hand over for the nut low 23, the SB had folded 24 so it would have been a chopped pot, but he already folded.

As soon as I showed my hand, the SB grabs his cards and turns them over to show the 24 for a chop. The dealer starts pushing me the pot and the SB protests, a floor is called and the floor declares the SB hand is dead and to push me the pot.

Two minutes and several hands later the floor comes back and reverses the decision saying he checked with his supervisor and since the dealer hadn't dragged the hand to the muck it was still a live hand. He then made me give the amount of 1/2 the pot to the SB. I couldn't believe it but according to WSOP, unless your hand is actually in the muck, it's still live.

It wasn't a big pot but since then, if a player doesn't want to show their hand due to embarrassment or range protection, I wait till the dealer drags the hand to the muck before tabling my hand as required. If you don't want to get angle shot, intentionally or otherwise, in a marginal situation you should do the same. If they want to open muck, make them open muck completely.

slow news day?

LOL. He has explained it many times. He just says something different than what Maria said she did. To those of us who can read, "setting her cards directly in front of her" doesn't equal "I very clearly mucked towards the dealer and out of my immediate reach". I was simply asking OP why the difference, and he still insists she set the cards directly in front of her, which Maria denies.

Not sure if serious

Maurice was playing a $125 single table satellite with me and a few other amateurs and satellite grinders at last years WSOP. At first he was just a dick (specifically to the obvious amateurs). After quickly spewing a bunch of his chips he got involved in a hand with an older gentleman (likely a weekend warrior) ~ before acting the older gentleman kindly asked if he could see what was left of Maurice's stack. Maurice said tersely, "You have me covered!". I suppose the older fella was curious to know how much he had exactly and asked again. Maurice childishly flung his arms in the air to reveal his stub. He lost soon thereafter - but I'll never forget the time I played with the biggest ass ever.

Anyways, there is no promise of proper behavior and mutual respect at a poker table (just like in real life).

If you're stuck playing with Maurice and want to screw with him just try this: After he's spewed off a bit - ask to see his chip-stack - it will send him on tilt.

This is pretty standard in any vegas room; cards must touch the muck to be considered mucked.

I can attest to this part.

Where Maria first started playing, and where I know her, Commerce, verbally conceding the pot IS binding. Or at least it was in like 2008 when I played there with her. \\

Yeah, I thought it was ****ing insane, but apparently if you said 'you win' that meant they won. I can vouch for her in regards to that's how the rules at Commerce were/are? and that is definitely where Maria started playing poker.

Why does she specify that she "verbally conceded the pot" and that the cards were "within reach of the dealer"? Even from her account of things it's pretty clear that it was a non standard fold where she still had her cards in front of, or close to, her area and simply stated that "you win" while simultaneously wanting to see his hand. I wouldn't have shown my hand until her hand clearly pulled into the muck, not going to put a lot of stock in her "verbal concession" while the cards are still within her proximity.

Show or effing throw. Quit wasting time.

Well that is unequivocally not the rule at WSOP, you can even throw your hand towards the muck but if it's identifiable you can retrieve it. Saying "you win" wouldn't even be the proper declaration anyway, you would need to specify your action as in "I Fold". Again, show it or throw it.

Ah so MH thinks that ethics are very important in poker yet she is best friends with Melanie Weisner who helped facilitate millions of dollars being stolen from poker players.

Makes sense

Why are live pros such ****ing morons?

i live in fla so sometimes i come across maurice.

one time I'm playing 2/5 waiting for an open seat at the 5/10. maurice doesn't usually play cash but it was a sunday and i think he had just busted day 2 of a big multi entry $330 tourney.

he's at my table and in 2 or 3 orbits is just being a complete ******* to a few older dudes. he's giving his money away i guess on tilt from busting. so i have to open my big mouth and say something like "dude what is your problem just mind your own business let people play how they want."

that didn't sit well. i can't remember everything he said besides him challenging me to a hu 25/50 10k buyin. i didn't have 10k on me but i knew he probably didn't either. so i accepted and said lets go. so he flags the floor guy over and he asks us if we are serious i said yes and maurice didn't say another word. then i got moved to 5/10 an orbit or 2 later.