can we please get some quality maurice hawkins photoshops going today? pweeeeese?

Did you watch the interview? That's where I got the amazing information that she's friendly with him. Certainly friendly enough to say "not cool" or something along those lines when he is being a buffoon at the table. Or "Hey dude, you just tilted that guy into calling my bluff. Please don't do that."

Or, if she's not friends at all she could stop chatting with him... Just do something to indicate that his behavior is unpleasant. We train people how to treat us.

Hi Doug.

After asking to muck the hand twice I'd ask to see the hand and all future hands in showdown pots.

Just read this thread, found it at different times amusing, annoying and infuriating. (As much as I admire Vanessa Selbst, I wish she hadn't brought up the issue of sexism. Interesting points from either side but it was irrelevant to this situation.)

OP, bummer to hear about your experience. I agree with a few posters that you may have stepped into the territory of "childish," although I will also admit that I probably would have done the same with that revenge clock. Not proud of it, but I likely would have done similar (or at least threatened it).

The "Jeopardy" thing is odd to me. Was it really that distracting? I probably would have started whistling along with it but I can't imagine it affecting my decision-making in any way. (I'm sure I've hummed it to myself while contemplating a move.) Methinks you may have already had it out for Hawkins by this point, so the song was merely an additional straw atop the proverbial camel's back.

Anyway...

I apologize in advance for what will come across to some as a foolish question, but assuming Maria was intentionally unclear about mucking her hand, how does not mucking a hand become an angle? Is it because she could potentially get the villain to show what turns out to be a losing hand (i.e. the accidental slowroll to which the OP alluded earlier)?

Also, and again I apologize for a dumb question, why DOES this "winning hand must show" rule exist?

I know in cash games, if you bluff and get called, you can muck your cards as if to say, "if you're calling, you must have me beat." The other player can take the pot without revealing his/her cards. Sure, you might end up playing the Roland DeWolfe to the villain's Reinkemeier, but I feel like we all agree that's just part of it. If there's a chance you made an accidental value bet, then don't muck.

Wow, post got longer than it should have — OP, I guess we fortysomethings tend to write novels.

This is the key reason why amateurs and recreational players should boycott Caesar's and, especially, the WSOP. Ever since Caesar's acquired the WSOP, management has shown a consistent pattern, a history, of siding with out-of-line pros over their amateur opponents. The "incidents" where Mr. Effel, Mr. Palansky, Nolan Dalla et al. should have acted in a strong and unambiguous manner are countless, but I'll name just a few ...

When Mike Matusow leans across the table and shouts at Greg Raymer concerning the size of his testicles, that was beyond the pale. For that outburst, Matusow should have been banned for life and never been allowed to participate again in the WSOP. How is it that a "pro" (like Matusow) gets away with that kind of behavior while a relative amateur like Drew McIlvain gets banned? Answer: Never insult a Caesar's employee - especially if you're an amateur. Next up is the infamous Scotty Nguyen "drunken tirade" incident. Were any penalties assessed for that sickening display? To the contrary, Nolan Dalla went on the late Lou Krieger's "Keep Flopping Aces" program and proceeded to defend their inactions [against Scotty] insisting that "anything goes" at the poker table ... "just as long as you don't break the rules or slow down the game." With those comments, Nolan had just given the green light - if there was ever any doubt - to pros that they can attempt every angle shoot and indulge in every despicable behavior they desire with no fear of suffering a penalty. In other words, it's open season on the amateurs and the recreational players. Finally, we have one of the worst abuses of all - last year's incident involving David "Doc" Sands. When this is reported to Jack Effel by the victimized player, Mr. Effel allegedly responds to the player dismissing him by stating something to the effect of: "I would [or we all would] have done the same thing!" Think about that! The WSOP's tournament director tells a player, in effect, "In this joint we look the other way when a well known pro angle shoots or outright breaks the rules. We're sure as hell not going to penalize a pro!" (Assessing a pro a one-round sit out is not a penalty - it's a slap on the wrist. A penalty is a meaningful punishment, such as ejecting a pro from the WSOP.) If Caesar's management grew a pair and started assessing penalties of that order, the "message" would get through to angle shooting, rule breaking, obnoxious pros right away. Caesar's has made it clear, by their blatant favoritism of pros over amateurs and recreational players, that they just don't care. Their sympathies clearly lie with the pros.

This year we have this incident involving Maurice Hawkins, by all accounts another obnoxious potty mouth, and Maria Ho. Caesar's just will not crack down on this stuff. The only way to deal with this kind of management mindset is for amateurs and recreational players to simply stay home. Look at the bright side. You could very well save yourself from being mugged in the parking lot - and/or having your vehicle broken in to.

It's obvious that he was directing it at the player making a decision and distracting someone is the opposite of what you should do if you want them to act faster. Plus it's rude

I linked a thread a few posts ago where a guy tossed his cards in pretending to muck when he was trying to get action.

It's a dumb rule and not TDA just wsop afaik

link or cliffs to doc sands incident?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...event-1351227/

Amateur gets bad news phone call and won't come back for day two in the tourney, tries to chipdump his stack to Doc Sands but awkwardly wins the hand leaving mr. Sands shortstacked.

I was thinking the same thing, I don't remember hearing anything bad about Sands. The only thing I know about him is he takes forever to act on his hands in live play.

Feel your frustration. This guy sounds like a real douchebag. I don't think I'd have the strength of will NOT to call the clock on him.. who am I kidding.. I'd call the clock every single time he took more than 2 minutes to act... in the calmest, most deliberate way possible.

Maria.. perhaps she could have used this opportunity to speak up for you.. but she certainly wasn't entitled to.. You mentioned other players that kept quiet during the tournament but approached you later with support. Perhaps those players should have spoken up. I can understand the argument for holding Maria to a different standard in that situation, but not sure it's terri-bad that she didn't speak up on your behalf. I guess I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt.. but not in a sexist way.. just cuz I'm a nice dude.

Love the Joe Dumars reference ... he was my favorite

I hope I get put on the same table with this douche at the wsop next week. Every hand I get in with him I'm gonna ask to get a chip count from him.

I think I asked that question to myself about 10 times since I started reading this thread.

I felt so happy to see maurices set up hand bust out hand out of that milly maker. IDK why. but now i don't feel so bad lol.

He's a dick, but I wouldn't call the clock. You are hurting the action of the innocent 3rd party with a nutted hand.

I have played with him several times in Florida he is for sure a douche that tries to intimidate players at the table. My favorite Maurice story playing with him it was palm beach a couple years ago I believe the 1 million guarantee. He gets moved to my table with a mountain of chips starts berating players than a European player calls a 3 bet against Maurice with k2 off suit flops is like a52 and ends up hitting running 2s to make quads and shoves the river on Maurice who has aces and bust Maurice. He was bitching all over west palm for days.

This bull**** conduct deserves to be called out.

Playing in event 39 today...will try and crush his dreams

So he is at your table or you are just in the same mtt as him?

This Maurice jackass sounds like a real winner. What a pathetic, laughable tool he must be.

What? I must be a newbie,,, isn't that the definition of staking, to sell pieces of yourself?

The Bhagavad Gita speaks of 3 modes. Goodness, passion, and ignorance. Calling the clock on Maurice every chance we get after 120 seconds would be acting under passion. However if we were acting according to goodness, we would share The4thFilm's thoughts on the subject.

That is for sure a potential angle, but the thing that happens way more often is some annoying angler trying to information freeroll you by never showing their cards when they are required to show. When the situation is reversed, they can (and often do) demand that you show. It's annoying because many players that know this angle refuse to succumb to the scumbag's tactics, and then it ends up being a huge time waste with a confused dealer and floor being called.

Tool is a good slang term I guess. If you want to get clinical, I'd go with sociopath. I think most of those who have seen his act frequently would agree that he has most of the characteristics. He's almost textbook. He's an unpleasant addition to the poker room itself, and not just his own table. I'm happiest when he's not around.

hopefully you won't be so bothered to post here again. thanks for making it clear that you don't want anyone thinking that you waste your time on an internet forum like a huge loser.

would it be so hard to just post your side of the story without the denigrating remarks for the forumposting community? i suspect this is the same cliquey elitist attitude the op garnered during his maurice hawkins experience and which i have also garnered just this moment.

good luck and have a great wsop everybody!