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07-04-2017 , 07:38 PM

#76

jayme87

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,599

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $200/$400 ($80 ante) - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $73782.23 (184 bb)
RaúlGonzalez (BB): $57568.84 (144 bb)

Pre Flop: ($760)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $1360, RaúlGonzalez (BB) calls $960

Flop: ($2880) 2

(2 players)
RaúlGonzalez (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $2000, RaúlGonzalez (BB) calls $2000

Turn: ($6880) 8

(2 players)
RaúlGonzalez (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $5600, RaúlGonzalez (BB) calls $5600

River: ($18080) J

(2 players)
RaúlGonzalez (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $12800, RaúlGonzalez (BB) calls $12800

Total pot: $43680 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
Isildur1 (BU) shows 4

(a full house, Eights full of Jacks)
(Equity - pre: 52%, flop: 15%, turn: 90%, river: 0%)

RaúlGonzalez (BB) shows 6

(a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
(Equity - pre: 48%, flop: 85%, turn: 10%, river: 100%)

RaúlGonzalez (BB) wins $43677

07-04-2017 , 07:39 PM

#77

vengeful wriggle

banned

Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 226

naw 25/50 is def weclome here)

07-04-2017 , 07:47 PM

#78

jayme87

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,599

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $200/$400 ($80 ante) - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $40280 (101 bb)
RaúlGonzalez (BB): $93551.59 (234 bb)

Pre Flop: ($760)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $1360, RaúlGonzalez (BB) 3-bets to $4240, Isildur1 (BU) calls $2880

Flop: ($8640) J

(2 players)
RaúlGonzalez (BB) bets $3454.80, Isildur1 (BU) raises to $9200, RaúlGonzalez (BB) calls $5745.20

Turn: ($27040) 2

(2 players)
RaúlGonzalez (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $12800, RaúlGonzalez (BB) calls $12800

River: ($52640) 7

(2 players)
RaúlGonzalez (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) checks

Total pot: $52640 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
RaúlGonzalez (BB) shows 4

(a full house, Eights full of Sevens)
Isildur1 (BU) mucks
RaúlGonzalez (BB) wins $52637

07-04-2017 , 07:48 PM

#79

jayme87

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,599

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $200/$400 ($80 ante) - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

RaúlGonzalez (BU): $119868.59 (300 bb)
Isildur1 (BB): $40000 (100 bb)

Pre Flop: ($760)
RaúlGonzalez (BU) raises to $1360, Isildur1 (BB) calls $960

Flop: ($2880) 3

(2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) checks, RaúlGonzalez (BU) bets $1150.80, Isildur1 (BB) raises to $4800, RaúlGonzalez (BU) calls $3649.20

Turn: ($12480) K

(2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) checks, RaúlGonzalez (BU) bets $4990.80, Isildur1 (BB) calls $4990.80

River: ($22461.60) 6

(2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) checks, RaúlGonzalez (BU) bets $16843.95, Isildur1 (BB) calls $16843.95

Total pot: $56149.50 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
RaúlGonzalez (BU) shows 2

(a flush, Ace high)
Isildur1 (BB) mucks
RaúlGonzalez (BU) wins $56146.50 b2b hands

07-05-2017 , 02:54 AM

#80

Kralex

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,349

Raul clawed it back pretty well that session. Could have been a rough one.

07-05-2017 , 02:54 AM

#81

Tilt_puntings

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 134

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayme87

(2 players)
RaúlGonzalez (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $2000, RaúlGonzalez (BB) calls $2000

Turn: ($6880) 8

(2 players)
RaúlGonzalez (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $5600, RaúlGonzalez (BB) calls $5600

River: ($18080) J

(2 players)
RaúlGonzalez (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $12800, RaúlGonzalez (BB) calls $12800

Total pot: $43680 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
Isildur1 (BU) shows 4

(a full house, Eights full of Jacks)
(Equity - pre: 52%, flop: 15%, turn: 90%, river: 0%)

RaúlGonzalez (BB) shows 6

(a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
(Equity - pre: 48%, flop: 85%, turn: 10%, river: 100%)

RaúlGonzalez (BB) wins $43677

Why didn't Raul raise on the river?

07-05-2017 , 03:26 AM

#82

curcubeu

centurion

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 180

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tilt_puntings

Why didn't Raul raise on the river?

he wanted to see if he was bluffing

07-05-2017 , 03:42 AM

#83

TheMVP

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,760

Quote:

Originally Posted by curcubeu

he wanted to see if he was bluffing

Wrong.

07-05-2017 , 03:45 AM

#84

vengeful wriggle

banned

Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 226

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMVP

Wrong.

Incorrect.

07-05-2017 , 03:48 AM

#85

.isolated

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21,495

He was scared because of the recent downswing.

07-05-2017 , 04:56 AM

#86

excaxante

adept

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 784

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMVP

Wrong.

Scared Isildur had KK?

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07-05-2017 , 07:57 AM

#87

Loctus

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,280

He doesn't raise river because in a lot of spots omaha ranges become ******ed and there's no value in raising and you only reverse-**** yourself into losing a big pot the times you got coolered.

Or in English: Isil probably doesn't call a raise with a worse hand very often

An extreme (but rather common spot) example which illustrates the point better is that you just call down barrells with the Ace high flush on a straight-flush board because if you raise it's not like you're getting called by the K high flush.

07-05-2017 , 07:58 AM

#88

TimStone

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,375

Probably scared of quad jacks

07-05-2017 , 08:21 AM

#89

gay_on_tse

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 612

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loctus

This doesnt seem like one of those spots tho, being HU, not very deep, very aggressive opponent.

07-05-2017 , 09:18 AM

#90

excaxante

adept

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 784

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loctus

I dont play omaha and im drunk, but he is 144bb deep against isildur with the 2nd nuts.

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07-05-2017 , 10:08 AM

#91

naggeri2

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 187

Clearly Raul tought isi is vbetting there but if raul thinks isi folds some J8 and all lower fulls than no value in his raise.(?) But honestly i dont know the exact frequencies.

07-05-2017 , 10:12 AM

#92

evolution

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 2,955

PokerStars, Triple Draw 2-7 Pot Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

1-ronnyr3 (SB): $12,426.67 (124 bb)
Mongano (BB): $10,100.00 (101 bb)

Deal: ($150)
1-ronnyr3 (SB) raises to $200, Mongano (BB) 3-bets to $600, 1-ronnyr3 (SB) calls $400

Draw One: ($1,200) (2 players)
Mongano (BB) draws 1, 1-ronnyr3 (SB) draws 3
Mongano (BB) bets $922.08, 1-ronnyr3 (SB) calls $922.08

Draw Two: ($3,044.16) (2 players)
Mongano (BB) draws 1, 1-ronnyr3 (SB) draws 2
Mongano (BB) bets $1,581.66, 1-ronnyr3 (SB) calls $1,581.66

Draw Three: ($6,207.48) (2 players)
Mongano (BB) stands pat, 1-ronnyr3 (SB) draws 1
Mongano (BB) bets $1,675.34, 1-ronnyr3 (SB) raises to $9,322.93 (all-in), Mongano (BB) calls $5,320.92 (all-in)

Total pot: $20,200 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
1-ronnyr3 (SB) shows 2

(8-6-4-3-2)
Mongano (BB) shows 8

(8-6-5-4-3)
1-ronnyr3 (SB) wins $20,197.50

07-05-2017 , 10:29 AM

#93

sump

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,136

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loctus

Kindaaaaa but not really.

In English: On that flop there are a lot of combos of straight and flush draws and everything bricks on the river. It doesn't really make sense to raise on this river not out of fear of getting coolered by KKxx (lol if you think like this it makes sense why you haven't moved up from PLO25 in almost 10 years) but because there are less boat combos in Isildurs range than there are flush and straight combos that bricked the river.

07-05-2017 , 01:39 PM

#94

naggeri2

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 187

Doesnt make sense imo. We dont care the bluff part of his range at all. Only the value part of isi range matters. If Raul thinks he beats isi calling range >50%of time he vbets if not than he doesnt.

07-05-2017 , 02:04 PM

#95

sump

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,136

Quote:

Originally Posted by naggeri2

Doesnt make sense imo. We dont care the bluff part of his range at all. Only the value part of isi range matters. If Raul thinks he beats isi calling range >50%of time he vbets if not than he doesnt.

That's essentially what I was saying. Since his range leans more towards draws and less made hands it doesn't make sense to raise.

07-05-2017 , 02:07 PM

#96

nutflopper

adept

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,153

Quote:

Originally Posted by sump

That's essentially what I was saying. Since his range leans more towards draws and less made hands it doesn't make sense to raise.

So why wouldn't you raise, hoping Isi puts you on a busted draw?

07-05-2017 , 02:19 PM

#97

sump

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,136

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutflopper

So why wouldn't you raise, hoping Isi puts you on a busted draw?

Think about this: If I raise the river... what bets the flop, the turn and river that calls our raise? We block KKxx, JJxx and we chop with KJxx. 22xx seems somewhat unlikely and it's hard to put him on 88xx when he bets the flop.

07-05-2017 , 02:40 PM

#98

nutflopper

adept

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,153

Quote:

Originally Posted by sump

JJxx would be quite an impressive holding for Isi here. 22xx is unlikely because you say it is? Im not going to debate this hand, these guys are much better than I could ever hope to be. Doesn't mean they don't make mistakes, or to a higher probability, make plays that many may not understand. This is one of those plays.