Those are two different things.

http://reason.tv/video/show/834.html

Bugatti lose money ony the Veyron. They only made it for publicity/to prove it can be done.

You should read the OP again. or better yet ask your mother to read it for you

God, just so much fail in this OP it's hard to even wrap my mind around it.

Anyone who disagrees with the Original Poster on this topic is a complete moron. He is still one of my favorite players if not my favorite but it doesn't change the fact that he should be better to his fans. Within reason of course, but better.

Ivey does not have to be a part of Full Tilt, and being a part of Full Tilt should come with certain responsibilities. He is clearly a generous and cool dude if you are one of his friends. I heard he won a bracelet and donated the entirety of winnings to the dealers at the WSOP in one of the smaller events.

Allow me to give you an example however of times when he could be a little nicer.

Last march a buddy and I drove down to Vegas (from British Columbia, Canada) and we went for a month to play, and also check out the NBC heads up championship. It was super cool and most of the pros there were more than happy to sign autographs and stuff like that. I mean any pro who takes the invite to come to this tournament is an ******* if they don't realize that this tournament is 100 percent more of a tv show than a tournament.

We watched countless hrs of it for days and days, most pros were very nice to all the fans there. Then Ivey shows up.

Everyone is pretty much awstruck of course cause he is larger than life. There is a guy standing right by the entrance to the stage that they film on inside the poker room at Caesars, and this guy prolly bout 25 yrs old has a hat. He has literally got like every pro in the tournament to sign this hat. Ivey walks by him and the guy like gently taps him on the shoulder "hey phil can you...." And Ivey scowls at him and yells....WOW WOW... giving him the look of death and clearly saying back up off me. His body guard steps in front and they just look at this guy like they are about to go to blows with him.

The guy simply says, "geez sorry man I was just wondering if you would sign my hat and take a picture?" Ivey looks at him like he he made a terrible comment or something and clearly reluctantly does it with the biggest and worst angry face ever cause this guy put his hand lightly on his shoulder. Get over yourself my man, you are coming to the NBC head up champs, you should be prepared to sign an autograph or 2. Otherwise, stick to the wsop, where u buy urself in and don't owe anyone anything.

He then sits there at the feature table waiting for Scotty Ngyun to show, and sits there as if someone has forced him outta bed to be there and he is not happy about it. His friends sat right next to us and at a break he comes over to talk to them. A nice sweet old lady with a clear mental disability is like " Oh Phil, I love you can I please have an Autograph please please." He looks at her like she is the biggest inconvienience in the world, and signs it. Then she asks for one for her 2 sons as well. Well again, sighs and with a ****ty limp ass wrist signs the ****tiest little scripple on the ****ty little white pieces of paper she was holding out. "thank you so much!" He stares for about a second as if to say... you're lucky i'm in a decent mood.

Just saying, and sorry bout the novel, but come on man, know when to be nice, and know when u can just be urself.

NBC head up, is a time to be nice, or else... stay at home.

If you disagree, with that... then u are an idiot. That tournament is meant to market yourself. Tjhe structure is terrible. Ivey also says it is a very prestigious tourney and him and Daniel have a 250k must win prop bet on it. All I'm saying is... act like you are kinda happy to be there.

And for any idiot who wants to say oh he is just trying to intimidate his opponents and keep his image. He was playing Scotty... do you think that is necessary against him?

Ivey is a POKER PLAYER, The reason why he is the best is because he's not trying to take that route (that u want him to take). What more does he have to do for you and the fans. I don't really believe you when you say you think he is a good guy(but). either he is or is not. A PERSON CAN ONLY BE WHO HE OR SHE IS AND NOT WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO BE. Are you seriously going to tell me that the fact that he does charity but rolls his eyes during interviews is your deciding factor for this GREAT guy to no longer be your favorite...was he ever your favorite then to begin with. You don't believe that a person would rather be golfing than taking an interview, who is your favorite player now...ask him which he'd rather be doing. First off the people who are doing all the interviews and shows, are you all to sure they are doing it for the right reasons. And i like how at the end you put in parenthesis along with the rest of team full tilt because it should have been at the top of post. I'm sorry but you just sound like another one of those guys that just came up with b***s*** instead of just being honest and saying what you really want to say about the guy. You don't want him to be Phil Ivey, You want him to be Daniel Negreanu and helmuth and all those other guys who do what you want from a fans perspective...Then he would not be the best get it.

hes a poker player, not an entertainer. Stop being gay fanboys.

Oh what it must be like to make it big in poker, not ask for the fame like you would expect most people to do, give to charity, help out your family and be a "GREAT GUY" and still get the negative criticism. And the worst part is he's not paying any attention cause he's concentrating on getting even better. Next, please someone make a post about why Daniel could be up there with Ivey if only he stopped doing what we want Ivey to be doing because oddly it would work...wait.

have u tried balancing ur 3b range?

He's not just a poker player though. When he's the face of FTP which he was willing to do and has financial interest in the site he evolves towards being a businessman and there are certain obligations that come with running a business. Keeping the little people happy is an obvious one, especially considering they generate more revenue for the site (in terms of rake) than the select few who play nosebleeds.

You are such a nice guy, I can't hate you.

But I do think your OP is a little bit sad. You could think about it another way like: Hey Phil you are great now enjoy your success without giving a *peep* about what people think.

Ivey doesn't give a **** about other people.You only exist to him if he can make some money from you.I'm not including his family /friends

And he holds to his obligations...just not as much as some people might like, If fans had it there way he would be Daniel Negreanu, Still great but would he be Ivey, no because he's Daniel. REMEMBER THE #1 THING HERE IS FINANCIAL FREEDOM, people don't have to play for fame. The point is if it bothers people that much than don't play on full tilt, show full tilt how you feel and if it works maybe you get what you want, i really don't think he cares and neither would I or anybody else if him. I mean do you not think he's the most marketable player even though he does not do s many interviews as whoever, of course he could be more marketable but he does not want to, until he's given a reason to i suppose like people picketing or marching against him then maybe that would change, but really is it that serious.

He plays with new plrs all the time. Jus have to work ur way up.

The fact he doesnt do everything in your OP is the reason he is the stone cold nuts. This world already had one to many Phil Hellmuths. If you stopped being a hoe about another mans business and concentrated on your own life maybe you wouldnt have to play micros.

He did play micros occasionally in the past but I don't think he's done so for a while.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...rrible-355532/

doesn't have to now, people might wanna play with him down there, know i would. And what do we care about his obligations to full tilt, lol. Do we suffer.

Or is he?

so you want him to lie?

I love that you lead in with "people dying" and go on to talk about how you're upset that Ivey doesn't use his free time to do interviews so people like you can enjoy them. A billion people are starving but he should voulenteer his time for you because you're having a hard time with the recession.

Btw I could easily compile a list of Ivey interviews and it will be hours of footage where he answers hundreds if not thousands of questions for his fans. So don't give us this bull about him not wanting to answer a few questions for his fans because there will always be someone that wants to ask him a few more questions. That's almost as obnoxious as the people that get turned down for an autograph and then say "He can't take the time to sign ONE autograph for his fan?" As if they are the only person in the world that has ever asked for an autograph.

fyp

Let me clear some things up for you americans that gets confused with european countrys.

Bugattis founder was Italian.
They were placed in Germany, but today is residented in france
The company is as of 1998 owned by Volkswagen AG, a german company


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti if you want to read urself

Do you ever get the feeling that people on 2+2 are not saying what they really want to say. For example, so and so (insert poker player name here) is a (insert insult here) because of (insert 1 or more incident's were player did something deemed not cool). But to the reader it just reads like: I just don't like this person but instead of giving the stupid reason why, I'll build on things that while not cool are not real reasons to dislike someone. Phil Ivey plays on Full Tilt, big part of it...the biggest part of it. One of the knocks he gets are not being like some of the other big name players who ironically will get trashed for being to Hollywood. There is another post in NVG that talks about Ivey holding up his end of the bargain with full tilt and interviews, he being the franchise right now for full tilt, MY question before I even try answering his obligations to us and FT is what do we care, do we work at FT and what will another interview give us, After every event he does his interview or at least for the most part I'm assuming, he plays on FT often enough to be a huge winner online. Some said he did not do enough tournament play and yet he's the leading live tourney money winner. I was watching the poker news updates for WSOPE and there was one where a guy approached Ivey from the rail and yelled "look at this face, I'm going to stack you in 12 months" then he walked away, No BS about why no interview or why are you not teaching me how to play like you because for some reason you should care...Okay maybe it was a little over the top seeing as how Ivey did not know the guy, but Ivey just shrugged and said ok with a smile. That guy went home and studied his a** off, and in 12 months when Ivey stacks him, I hope he does not make a post on 2+2 about how Ivey took his money. Now I know you guys and gals are gonna turn into human torch on me and nit pick at different parts of the post or bad spelling or why I'm wrong and It's Ok. At least I'm being honest. FLAME ON!!!