Dwan > Ivey and you cant argue with that, everytime theyre playing on tv Dwan owns him.

I came in here expecting someone to explain me what Ivey's mindset is. Am I the only one realizing I haven't learned anything from OP's post or all you all just brainless idiots? It's well written but the content is non-existing. It's basically a long question; "What is Ivey's mindset?".

exactly. Well written article but you kind of dance around the subject and just say he has a perfect poker mindset....it's mysterious as to the details, but somehow you know it's perfect....

Wow great OP and great responses ITT!

Read somewhere don't remember where that back in the day Ivey had a notebook that he carried around filled with notes on players he had played against at the table. But he lost it so , just stopped doing it.

Well I also remember hearing an interview where Barry G had taped a phone conversation that he had with Phil on Xmas Day(?) (which he also got got phil's permission to do). They talked about a lot of things and it sounded more like two friends on the phone than an actual interview.. so they got off topic a few times and I remember PI saying something in the form of ~"sometimes I have to shut the door (to his poker office) and turn on the Bob Marley." I found this funny because at another time in the interview BG made a comment about PI's caddy smoking a pound of weed a month ~ or something like that lol. So I put the two together and asked myself, can PI have a caddy that smokes a pound of bud a month, and not be a pot-head himself? I don't really know if that contributed anything or not

I don't know this is kind of becoming an offensive term, this degenerate. I think anyone who can control themselves with such composure at all times is clealry way ahead of 99% of humanity. That's why he has what he has. He went after what he wanted without stepping on anybodys shoes. Nothing wrong with that.

Great read

L O L

What is the story behind the Lakers game photo? Did Ivey have any money on the game/series? I searched Phil Ivey Lakers bets and I found one where he supposedly had a 2 million dollar bet on the Finals series against Boston. But in this picture it's Utah so that can't be the game/series. I'm just curious because if Ivey did have money on that game/series then that's probably the most ballin pic I've ever seen.

Doing a little searching I also found these fun facts:

Phil Ivey once signed up for a $10 million dollar SNG. Only one other player signed up.

He has enough money to "forget" that he had $750k in chips stashed at the Commerce casino.

EDIT: http://thedreamshake.blogspot.com/20...-jazz-too.html

still a pretty neat capture.

I don't think you have seen very many cash games these two have played in... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMSMK...watch_response 8:15 in or so

This exactly. "content is non-existing" is the first thing I thought when I finished reading this. And to say its well written is certainly a stretch. I guess people say that bc there is not much thought that goes into posting here. I swore everyone was leveling in their responses until I got to abt the 50th response. Someone pls tell me what the hell this is or how it is well written:

What are the things he kindly teaches us? Well, I say kindly because I think when your in Ivey’s shoes and you know you are the best by far, and probably will be for a long time, if not until you die. I think you probably feel you owe the poker community or at least the students of the game some sort of gift or game wisdom for them to use, and for the poker evolution and maturity to grow, to “finally begin to understand your place in poker history” as he puts it when winning his 8th WSOP bracelet.

I think his gift to us is to briefly look at his success and competitive addicted mentality that if anyone, obviously with a high quantity of skill and obsession and determination, makes this mindset their one; he can probably get very very far in terms of poker achievements, and what comes with it, tha money.

I have seen many cash games with those 2 actually and I think Dwan is better then Ivey.

+1

the 750k stashed at the commerce he forget about....epic...was told he firST PLAYED AT THE AC CASINOS''...CONFIRMED??

link plz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqf7wxHn8PM

This very much, I have thought that motivation takes a big part of what makes all of these guys the best.

Over-intellectualizing it, what an interest concept, i think of course he is a master at this one, he can recognize very well when a play is designed to be tricky weak or just plain weak, and doesnt trick himself into making mistakes cus of this.


Yes I believe his "intuition" comes from long hours of playing the game, but of course a tremendous amount of talent.

Haters are gonna hate, and also trolls imo.

Good read OP

Both of those videos are beans (both less than 100k) compared to THESE.


Biggest Pot In Televised History Over 1.1 Million
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnxFohpljqM

HSP Dwan 676k Bluff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y_FjBNiitw

I totally misread the title of this thread. I thought it said...

"The Ivey Midget"

I'm really disappointed.

waw I really respect your videos on Brain fail, I was expecting more of a response than that.

^No need to be rude. I just opened up the thread expecting photoshops or something. Haven't had time to read through the discussion yet.

Not my intention to be rude, just hoping to get your insight.

K, I'll trade you my insights for a picture of an Ivey Midget.

J/k I'm on my phone but plan to read through later today.

Shame on me for being a smart-ass in a thread I hadn't read. My apologies to OP - I was just trying to be funny in what I assumed was another random Ivey NVG thread.

This is from Gladwell's 'Blink', but I think you're misremembering it a tad. Gladwell's point was that the experts have this intuition as a direct result of all the time and work they've put into their craft. He wasn't claiming it was something they were born with, but rather that the thousands and thousands of hours they've spent studying and practicing has created a sort of sixth sense that they can access without bringing their conscious thoughts to bear on the problem. Yes, you have to be smart and passionate about your chosen profession, but it's the long hours of hard work that give the experts the ability to think without thinking, not some innate gift.

Arthur C. Clarke has one of my favorite quotes: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." If we took an iphone or a flashlight back a couple thousand years it would probably be seen as magic, because the denizens of that time would have no understanding of or context for the technology used. In my opinion, genius is similar. It's easy for us to look at a Phil Ivey and what he's able to do and say "Wow, this guy just has some magical gift that makes him the perfect poker player." But I think the truth is that the guy's just put in a crapload of hard work and practice. His "technology" is just several generations beyond ours. Ivey was playing full-time before he was even old enough to legally be in the casinos, so he was able to rack up his 10,000 hours (another Gladwell-ism) at a younger age than most other players of his generation. Remember, he's 34, not 24 like most of the internet whizzes. And from the stories I've read about Ivey he was compulsive about learning and studying every nuance of the game. So his hard work and his sharp wits now allow him to play at a genius level, but it's not magic.

Additionally, Ivey understands that intimidation is a powerful weapon at the tables, and that we fear the unknown. So he wisely keeps his mouth shut about his thought processes and strategies. He doesn't do many interviews, he doesn't do training videos or books, and he's eerily silent at the tables. He only has to play his game and our minds will fill in the gaps with ideas of him being bullet-proof and all-knowing.

As for him not knowing about HUDs or PTR or the term "EV", I'm inclined to believe it's not a level. Again, he's in his thirties not his twenties, and he learned the game in the card rooms with the old school players. He's managed to bridge the generation gap by dominating the online games, too, but that doesn't mean he's hip to the online poker lingo or tools. It's not like he's multi-tabling full ring games where he needs to have stats and results on every anonymous opponent he faces. He's playing high stakes games against a fairly small pool of players. What does he need with HUDs and tracking sites?

But I think it's quite telling that we automatically assume it's a level since it's coming from Ivey rather than entertaining the possibility that he just isn't familiar with the tools we take for granted.

Does anyone have the link to this? I've heard about it several times but have yet to read it.

Thanks for putting in some time and thought to your post, OP. I wish more posters on 2p2 would do the same.

these are direct copy pasts from bond18's blog - which I'm glad I actually ready because I'm starting to take this approach to my game in live play (living in Fl, games have just busted wide open) and this seems to be the optimal way.


Writes Malcolm Gladwell in his masterpiece Outliers:

For almost a generation, psychologists around the world have been engaged in a spirited debate over a question that most of us would consider to have been settled years ago. The question is this: is there such a thing as innate talent? The obvious answer is yes. Not every hockey player born in January ends up playing at the professional level. Only some do-the innately talented ones. Achievement is talent plus preparation. The problem with this view is that the closer psychologists look at the careers of the gifted, the smaller the role innate talent seems to play the bigger the role preparation seems to play.


The striking thing about Ericsson's study is that he and his colleagues couldn't find any "naturals," musicians who floated effortlessly to the top while practicing a fraction of the time their peers did. Nor could they find any "grinds," people who worked harder than everyone else, yet just didn't have what it takes to break the top ranks. Their research suggests that once a musician has enough ability to get into a top music school, the thing that distinguishes one performer from another is how hard he or she works. That's it. And what's more, the people at the very top don't work just harder or even much harder than everyone else. They work much, much harder.

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To further quote The 50th Law, a book on the importance of work ethic from the combined genius of author Robert Greene and rapper 50 Cent:
Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire.

For thousands of years this concept of learning was an elemental part of practical wisdom. It was embedded in the concept of mastering a craft. Human survival depended on the construction of instruments, buildings, chips and more. To build them well, a person had to learn the craft, spending years as an apprentice, advancing step by step. With the advent of the printing press and books that could be distributed widely, this discipline and patience was then applied to education-to formally gaining knowledge. Those who posed as people who possessed learning, without the years of accumulating knowledge, were thought of as charlatans and quacks, to be despised.

Today, however, we have reached a dangerous point in which this elemental wisdom is being forgotten. Much of this is due to the destructive side of technology. We all understand its immense benefits and the power it has brought us. But with the intense speed and ease with which we can get what we want, a new pattern of thinking has evolved. We are by nature creatures of impatience. It has always been hard for us to want something and not have the capacity to get it. The increased speed from technology accentuates this childish aspect of our character. The slow accumulation of knowledge seems unnecessarily boring. Learning should be fun, fast, and easy. On the Internet we can make instant connections, skimming along the surface from one subject to the next. We come to value breadth of knowledge over depth, the power to move here or there rather than digging deeper to the source of a problem and finding out how things tick.

Understand: the real secret, the real formula for power in this world, lies in accepting the ugly reality that learning requires a process, and this in turn demands patience and the ability to endure drudge work. It is not sexy or seductive at first glance, but this truth is based on something real and substantial-an age-old wisdom that will never be overturned. The key is the level of your desire. If you are really after power and mastery, then you will absorb this idea deeply and engrave it in your mind: there are no shortcuts.

http://www.pokersavvy.com/blogs/bond18/ for full read. Pretty interesting things.