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01-04-2024 , 11:58 AM
i'm so happy that my cardroom doesn't do button straddles. it sounds awful for the game in almost every way.
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01-04-2024 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CanadaLowball
i'm so happy that my cardroom doesn't do button straddles. it sounds awful for the game in almost every way.
If your the only one doing it, it's great
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01-04-2024 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RedOak
yes, it is a great idea to have utg act first when there is a button straddle. Having sb act first is horrible as now the blinds are penalized to act first pre-flop as well and now must play super tight and thus killing action. If sb has to act first, then the best strategy is for both bb and sb to sit out when the button straddles and then either buy the button the next hand (or for the sb, post sb on button (if allowed) or behind button. )Of course if everyone does this then the whole table will sit out on the bb straddle and then the bb straddle will have to be removed or else everyone will stop playing.
No one is going to stop playing
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01-04-2024 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
What hands are being slowplayed that 76s doesn’t want to play against?
I threw out a small extra reason why a post sweetener in late position can be a good idea. Which was that the reason not to do it, namely the possibility of a slowplay reraise could conceivably help you more than it hurts. But I agree when you have 76s would not be one of those times.
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01-04-2024 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
What hands are being slowplayed that 76s doesn’t want to play against?
You realize calling 76s vs a limp-RR is a terrible play correct?
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01-04-2024 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
If your the only one doing it, it's great
No it’s not. It’s makes people tighten up pre by a lot.
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01-04-2024 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I've never heard of a place allowing button straddles where the preflop action didn't start with the SB. I'm sure that's why they meant the straddle is terrible for the blinds.
I've seen it both ways.
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01-05-2024 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
You realize calling 76s vs a limp-RR is a terrible play correct?

I wasn’t arguing against that but to answer your question, it depends.


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01-05-2024 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I threw out a small extra reason why a post sweetener in late position can be a good idea. Which was that the reason not to do it, namely the possibility of a slowplay reraise could conceivably help you more than it hurts. But I agree when you have 76s would not be one of those times.

Oh I thought you meant a slow played limp call. Limp rr is no longer a slowplay


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01-06-2024 , 02:13 PM
i think that perhaps much this book will unfortunately not be very applicable to my room's 2/5 games. there's no way anyone gets away with limping pre-flop on a regular enough basis in these games. maybe at the 1/2 tables, but the rake there is so disgusting, i can't really bring myself to play them anymore
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01-06-2024 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CanadaLowball
i think that perhaps much this book will unfortunately not be very applicable to my room's 2/5 games. there's no way anyone gets away with limping pre-flop on a regular enough basis in these games. maybe at the 1/2 tables, but the rake there is so disgusting, i can't really bring myself to play them anymore
Limping in and when it's right to do so are just a small part of this book. Also on page 33 it says:

The weakest of your hands that sometimes are worth a limp should absolutely be folded if the answer to No. 1 is “quite often.”

and No. 1 is

1. Do the players behind you often raise preflop?

But there may still be some times when limping is correct, see the book, and there's a lot more in the book than just the discussion of limping first-in.

Mason
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01-07-2024 , 12:20 AM
If you're tired of poker books filled with math and charts, you'll appreciate this book. This book stands out because it uses real-life examples from low-stakes games like 2/5 and 1/3. It's practical, giving tips on how to play certain hands and when depending on the situation and the other players.

This book reminds me of how poker books used to be written before all the GTO strategies and charts became popular. It focuses on poker as a game of instinct and creativity rather than just strict strategy. IMO, While GTO works, relying too much on it can backfire.

I found this book relatable as someone who plays poker for extra income and not as a full-time job. It's perfect for players who want to enjoy the game and learn different strategies without getting overwhelmed by technical details. It's a reminder that poker is not just about numbers but also about understanding other players and being creative.
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01-07-2024 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Meanwhile there is another play that I believe has conventional wisdom associated with it that I am thinking about. I would appreciate it if posters here would verify that it is indeed conventional wisdom and whether you agree with it.

If you are dealt QQ, KK, or AA and somehow knew you could get four typically skilled small stakes players to put in $!5 against you (with $285 behind) or only one opponent for $25 (with $275) you would choose the latter alternative. Is that generally what is thought? Are there exceptions in your mind or in the minds of good players?
Choosing QQ vs 4 players is practically just set mining.
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01-13-2024 , 08:48 PM
I just read this on page 78 in J Little's latest book:

Against multiple limpers the initial limper's strategy should be your main concern. Most players who limp behind the initial limper almost never have a premium hand because they would have raised. ...

I think we have this covered.

Mason
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01-14-2024 , 06:21 PM
J Little is also terrible at poker just fyi. How much time have you guys spent studying on RIO or upswing?
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01-14-2024 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
J Little is also terrible at poker just fyi. How much time have you guys spent studying on RIO or upswing?
First, we're familiar with J Little. Second, I think that both RIO and Upswing are fine sites.

By the way, have you read Theory of Games and Economic Behavior by John Von Neumann and Oskar Morgenstern? I read it over 30 years ago.

Do you know what a saddle point. or maximin is?


Mason
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01-14-2024 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
First, we're familiar with J Little. Second, I think that both RIO and Upswing are fine sites.

By the way, have you read Theory of Games and Economic Behavior by John Von Neumann and Oskar Morgenstern? I read it over 30 years ago.

Do you know what a saddle point. or maximin is?


Mason
No but I can beat you heads up

You tell me what’s more important in a poker game


Also why didn’t you answer my questions about time spent on upswing or RIO? You said they are fine sites, how do you know?
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01-14-2024 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
No but I can beat you heads up

You tell me what’s more important in a poker game


Also why didn’t you answer my questions about time spent on upswing or RIO? You said they are fine sites, how do you know?
And why do you always try to put us down? That's why I don't answer your questions.

MM
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01-14-2024 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
J Little is also terrible at poker just fyi. How much time have you guys spent studying on RIO or upswing?
Little won 2 WPTs in 2008 or something. First he sold action at a high markup. When that stopped working, he has made it into a business producing videos, books, etc. for fish. There are other people like that. Tom McEvoy won a WSOP ME in 1988 or something and made that into lots of awful books, etc.

That's why I said this book compares favorably to what is out there on the subject, which doesn't say much. They are either by people like Little or 1/3 or 2/5 grinders.
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01-15-2024 , 12:11 AM
lol at bashing Little, I mean he’s probably not amongst the best in the world but he won before a computer told him how to play and he does just fine now.

And he sells a lot of books and other stuff. Something to be said for relatively passive income rolling in.

Also lol at saying the authors need to study upswing/rio to write a 1/3 book
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01-15-2024 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
lol at bashing Little, I mean he’s probably not amongst the best in the world but he won before a computer told him how to play and he does just fine now.

And he sells a lot of books and other stuff. Something to be said for relatively passive income rolling in.

Also lol at saying the authors need to study upswing/rio to write a 1/3 book

I didn’t say they needed to. I asked them how much studying they had done. It seems like the authors talk a lot about subjects they haven’t studied. How can they discuss gto without having studied it?


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01-15-2024 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
No but I can beat you heads up

You tell me what’s more important in a poker game
Maybe you should start playing more heads up poker then, instead of games you can't beat, like full ring 1/3 NLH.

Maybe if you read this new book, and really apply yourself, you could become a break even player.
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01-15-2024 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I didn’t say they needed to. I asked them how much studying they had done. It seems like the authors talk a lot about subjects they haven’t studied. How can they discuss gto without having studied it?
I could have sworn he just said he read THE book on game theory.
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01-15-2024 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Maybe you should start playing more heads up poker then, instead of games you can't beat, like full ring 1/3 NLH.

Maybe if you read this new book, and really apply yourself, you could become a break even player.
Why are you so defensive of Sklansky? He your personal friend or something.. I don't know what's in the book as a whole and I never will as I have no intention of buying it but the teaser hand samples presented at the start of this thread are garbage. Both in theory and in practice. limping big hands might be fine in a aggro game but that's not 1/3.
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01-15-2024 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I didn’t say they needed to. I asked them how much studying they had done. It seems like the authors talk a lot about subjects they haven’t studied. How can they discuss gto without having studied it?


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One of the authors wrote Theory of Poker where gto is discussed 40 years ago and before Doug Polk was even born

He didnt require for him to be born, grow up, create upswing, so that he could join the site and learn about gto lol
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