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I thought I'd seen everything. Player checks another players pulse during Allin @10k shrpo

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04-19-2016 , 08:44 AM

#51

DC2LV

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LOL at people in this thread thinking you can get a reading on someone's pulse just by grabbing their wrist for an instant so the hand should be declared dead for that reason. Villain obviously did this as a joke.

BTW, Matt Savage responded to Drinan that he had done the very same thing last Wednesday in a charity event. And yes, I understand that a charity event is a different milieu; but still, the keyboard warriors in this thread all threatening to retaliate by punching the villain are just plain ridiculous.

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04-19-2016 , 08:59 AM

#52

Nobel1

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 666

Grab his balls to see if they are big enough to call your bluff.

If they are, don´t let him feel your pulse.

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04-19-2016 , 10:43 AM

#53

Avaritia

Confirmed 2500 hour haver

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12,248

FWIW the live tells obtained from this have nothing to do with his pulse.

It probably was a stupid joke from someone not capable of gleaming any information anyway but the response/reaction would be very telling (stoic/calm is weighted towards bluffing and freak out/talks/moves/smiles/etc is weighted towards value)

As for the actual invasion of personal space, I think the underreacting people itt are underreacting, and the overreacting people itt are overreacting.

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04-19-2016 , 11:05 AM

#54

PlayinWasted

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Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 42

When touching a Player like this there's definitely the possibility of him giving up huge live tells. If the pot is big enough compared to the blinds the EV of trying this might of course be high enough to make it worth if the only pusnishment was a 1 round penalty.

There is only one way to make sure it is never "+EV" for a player to do this: he automatically loses the pot. It doesn't matter if the guy in the actual situation was joking or not. As a general rule, only "the player's hand is folded" leaves no room for possible angles/exploits.

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04-19-2016 , 11:14 AM

#55

falldown

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Your reaction to his grabbing your arm is probably more telling then the pulse.

If you complains and want villain's hand dead, you probably don't want a call, etc... If you laugh it off you want the call?

IMO, this should be a dead hand, hero drags pot, villain gets a warning for angling.

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04-19-2016 , 11:31 AM

#56

ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

from Connor Drinan twitter.
"Player bets river, I shove, 2 minutes into tanking, he grabs my forearm and says let me feel your pulse. Big pot, never met him. Ruling?"

Pro-tip: Don't swipe right.

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04-19-2016 , 12:30 PM

#57

highhustla

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Originally Posted by Schneids

All the "I'd punch him," "I'd press charges" thoughts floating around the internet further confirm to me the current state of poker...

How would that be different from any state of poker ever?

I don't see the old Texas road gamblers taking kindly to being physically touched during a hand.

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04-19-2016 , 01:04 PM

#58

PenelopeCruz

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Originally Posted by cheet

Connor is all-in and they're in a 10k live mtt, where the f do you expect him to "move away" to?

Also, the whole point is the unfair access to information this provides as soon as the action here took place.

LOL at an informational advantage. The guy would have to be concentrating on his watch while feeling his pulse for 10 seconds to get an accurate reading. Just pull your arm away? That said, it's obviously completely inappropriate to touch another player and it should be penalized in some way.

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04-19-2016 , 01:18 PM

#59

David123

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

If the tournament director doesn't give the player a penalty, check the TD's pulse.

this. the player might get a very big reaction giving him information he doesnt deserve and never wouldve obtained in a normal pot/hand,

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04-19-2016 , 02:29 PM

#60

useless

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Clearly he is entering into space no other human should be aloud into. I would call the police on the spot and force the tournament director to put the tournament on hold until resolved.

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04-19-2016 , 02:38 PM

#61

Parsons Grinder

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Originally Posted by Nobel1

Grab his balls to see if they are big enough to call your bluff.

If they are, don´t let him feel your pulse.

This is actually a hilarious response to this. See where he draws the line.

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04-19-2016 , 02:55 PM

#62

highhustla

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Originally Posted by PenelopeCruz

LOL @ NVG'tards thinking that the pulse itself is the informational advantage.

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04-19-2016 , 02:59 PM

#63

bachelder

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Originally Posted by PenelopeCruz

you wouldnt need an accurate reading, youd just need to see if his pulse was racing - that wouldnt take 10secs. Next time you do cardio get your heart rate up high and then feel your pulse, youll feel that its racing in a few seconds.

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04-19-2016 , 03:12 PM

#64

otatop

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Originally Posted by Dominic

???

Dairy Queen = DQ = Disqualify.

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04-19-2016 , 03:13 PM

#65

iPLOwgirls

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If this happened to me I would probably just smile. If he then decided to call and I was bluffing, I would probably ask to have the pot sent to me. Usually I would say it's not fair to free roll someone like that, but his act kind of puts you in a bad spot, and it would catch me off guard. Anyone pulling a joke like this off, is likely going to muck anyways and just wants to have a laugh before he gives you the pot.

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04-19-2016 , 04:14 PM

#66

Expedient

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[QUOTE=As a general rule, only "the player's hand is folded" leaves no room for possible angles/exploits.[/QUOTE]

This

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04-19-2016 , 05:52 PM

#67

CRMartin11

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The ruling should be: Hand is forfeited and one round penalty at minimum. I'm fine with a DQ.

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04-19-2016 , 07:00 PM

#68

PenelopeCruz

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Originally Posted by bachelder

You'd have to be in a pretty relaxed setting to be able to feel anything at all. Why would you actually let the guy feel your pulse rather than pulling your arm away and telling him to **** off?

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04-19-2016 , 07:48 PM

#69

NicestoryiCALL

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Cant see myself letting someone i play a pot against touch me like that.. How did it happen?

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04-19-2016 , 08:08 PM

#70

Briar

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Question: for those that think this should be laughed off, does your opinion change if the player he grabbed was a woman?

I voted for one round penalty and lose the pot. I think losing the pot should be mandatory.

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Originally Posted by NalaCat

I would let him do it but pick his cards up and shuffle them into the muck.

LOL

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Originally Posted by Yenomez

I just want to know what happened instead of pp who wouldn't punch someone in the face positing.ffs

Man, this. Does anyone know the outcome?

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04-19-2016 , 09:04 PM

#71

illdonk

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Originally Posted by NicestoryiCALL

Cant see myself letting someone i play a pot against touch me like that.. How did it happen?

Are you a ninja?

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04-19-2016 , 09:04 PM

#72

driverseati

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Originally Posted by Yenomez

I just want to know what happend instead of pp who wouldn't punch someone in the face positing.ffs

IIRC the guy called and lost, the hand was not declared dead obviously

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04-19-2016 , 09:40 PM

#73

bumpnrun

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Originally Posted by Carl Trooper

You're asking this on a forum that's top heavy with insecure introverted humans.

Most would have a nervous breakdown.

I'd probably laugh.

Haha nice. This.

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04-19-2016 , 10:03 PM

#74

Snoopy5

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so many nits itt

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04-19-2016 , 10:15 PM

#75

icoon

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 746

Forfeit hand for sure. He might get quite a bit of info from your reaction after the fact given that its such an unexpected action and it doesnt matter eitherway he tries to get info thats not within the rules of the game => hand is dead

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