Very little if what has been said in this thread has much bearing on Jose scamming other high stakes pros through Skype.

haters gonna hate, jealous broke NVG tards put up the $100k if you don't believe him.

imo

lol u clown

Im saying, theres no way possible, a kid of his youth, and lack of resources just a few years ago, concoucted this entire plan and put it in play, entirely on his own.

This whole recent meltdown of Skype scamming his "freinds" on HSNL is just the first domino to fall imo, theres so much more that went on, tons more. he couldnt have enacted such an elaborate WELL FUNDED scheme entirely on his own at 16 from an impoverished upbringing and enviroment in Portugal. He surely had guiding hands.

ok so this was obv one giant level. But can we confirm that people actually got scammed out of real money? Or are the people claiming to be scammed just part of the way to kill off the character. Has to be that right as the alternative is that there was a cheating ring full of hs regs.

This is the tip of the iceberg, right? I haven't read the whole of the other thread yet but the backers, his new room-mates etc. There's more shady stuff going on.

Totally agree this is just the beginning of what was going on...time for 2+2ers to unearth the rest of the skype clan

this was post 7 itt. man this **** is just too funny.

My favourite part is how his new confession is exactly the same as his old confession

Exactly this!!! I have Haseeb behind this, full of analysis & how he wrote the majority of Jose's blogs & whom I actually suspect (rather than Jose) to be the ghost behind the 7 shill accounts! This was all a negative freeroll for Jose, in case something went wrong that Haseeb & Jungleman would distance themselves & Jose would have no credibility left to tell the truth even if he wanted to (just like Full Tilt Poker's counter-statement to Ivey's jawdropping bombshell and lawsuit, before NoahSD's article on Subject Poker sorta confirming it's plausibility) since no one would believe Jose instead of Haseeb + Jungleman, who have their "exit strategies" already being enacted, which is why I'm not finished here at all in this thread--I'm just getting started now that everybody is finally listening, and I've seemingly got everyone's attention now. Rangey and I have done more work than is sane, because we're both the obsessive type & care more about this than anyone can possibly understand.

I want to put the jose story to rest and hopefully direct this onto Haseeb & Jungleman, with the ongoing proof I have, and hopefully more developments today & tomorrow. Everything we have relied on has been anecdotal or circumstantial, but the evidence is nonetheless damning and I hope it leads to more investigation into Haseeb/Jungleman because Jose was just the pawn, as I outlined already 26 hours ago, before the bombshell thread began:

The answer is Haseeb, and if "something goes wrong" he along with Jungleman already have their golden parachute, which is why I urge a sharp pivot onto them. Jose is RIP, but he was just a pawn, now let's let the evidence show us who is the kingpin. I hope we give Jose a real chance to come forward and tell us what he knows about Haseeb/Jungelman's involvement, other than the fact Haseeb wrote this OP and that Haseeb registered the domain name "Girah Poker" which Haseeb has already confessed to. Now Jose has less to lose, and his "BATNA" would suggest he will sever ties with them, and tell all pretty soon. (sorry for those who don't study this type of stuff from business school) If Jose comes forward and tells what he knows (and provides chat logs or emails too) then he earns my acceptance of his fake/insincere apology he wrote, which was simply damage control, like absurdly trying to earn the 2p2 sympathy of his mum's disappointing frown. It's game over for him, while Haseeb's & jungleman's reputations both come out unscathed because they had their golden parachute already designed and pre-engineered too, which I hope we can expose like myself & rangey have done and plan to do anyway, even if no one helps us.

Whoever steers a young kid into ruining his life, character, and good name is just the lowest of the low. I would like Ashton to comment if Haseeb would do something like this to immature, naive Jose, and place a negative freeroll on his life, just for a prop bet or leveling. I'm pretty sure that sauce123 is the most clean so I don't group him the phrase "Jose & Company" which I chiefly use in reference to Jose/Haseeb/Jungleman. I don't think sauce123 has much involvement in all this because I have no information which ties him in. Let's hope we get some good leads today and tomorrow. Good luck to those who feel great right now, bringing a prodigious falsity to the shining power of truth!

QFcringe

And to prove it, Haseeb will wager any amount between $100k & $600k that everything in his "damage control & distancing post" is 100% true.

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What I learned from this: microstakes droolers have better reads than highstakers players. Well played the bustos!

Also very obvious DogIsHead / Hasseeb Whateverhisnameis is behind all this, hopefully the proofs come out.

i think it is strongly worth considering the possibility that both sauce and jungleman are also being manipulated by the main player in this scam - but at least one of them is nowhere near as innocent as they are claiming. i mean a blind NVGtard could nearly tell that.

Haseeb isn't innocent. He struggled to beat the games and was trying to make his way in the poker world doing coaching for extortionate amounts of money. The final nail in his coffin was when he played Isildur and lost most of his roll. He packed up the computer and pretty much didn't play poker again. Unable to beat the games any more and short on money he needed a sure fire way to win. Enter the ruse of the young poker prodigy speaking to people on skype whilst looking at their hole cards. They'd have kept doing it except they couldn't take the heat any more.

Surely this post speaks a lot. He judged Jose's poker skills, and lied about it. Saying "since the very first moment I met this him, I knew he was a prodigy" is a really strong type of endorsement and gave the benefit of the doubt to the wrong side, and everyone who was a "skeptic" became labeled a "hater" thanks in part to Haseeb/Jungleman's role in this. Anybody with decent intelligence can easily read this as a "hype up" attempt by Haseeb, and it fits the story as we now have uncovered it--that they were close enough to move in with each other by the year's end. Even the last sentence downplays his level of involvement in this whole thing. They knew each other enough when the post was written (Jan 25th--3 days after original thread was written by SearchingForProdigy shill) and obviously Haseeb watched the thread closely for the first 3 days from Jan 22nd through 25th. He always downplays that he is "never on" 2p2, just as a way to suggest him being the kingpin is implausible. We'll see the same "damage control" posts/blogs from Haseeb now that we saw from Jose, which is to analyze the situation and then build a convincing model which explains away the data which is, again, ex post facto.

There's guys like NoahSD who are on the front side of a story, leading the inquiry into truth. And then there are people who wait for sh*t to hit the fan, distance themselves after the fact, and downplay all involvement whatsoever. Haseeb's post didn't contain a single bit of useful information or additional insights, but to his credit, I'm thankful he posted something in response today rather than be silent. That's about the only thing he's got going for him at this point. Silence is usually an indicator of... (what this whole thread was about in June!)

See Rangey's post here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1715

Sigh, now I feel like a huge dick for defending this guy early on in the thread. Thanks OP.

I guess now we just have to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Yes! This is actually a very possible scenario, because there's no telling how the individual roles within the group operated. I hope something turns up good today or tomorrow. I've been desperate for leads, but hopefully today flushes out a few confessions as online players try to salvage their real-world reputations. Whoever comes out with the most openness today is probably the one I will trust the most. No telling what deals are being worked out to pay Jose to be silent. There is absolutely no way Jose acted alone! Now that there was a conspiracy, we can finally move forward because we're acting on a foundation, rather than hoping our speculation is accurate. That was the roadblock Rangey and I had, when we decided to start outing shills & cranking the screws to their neck, hopefully forcing a mistake or dodgy post.

Sad though, until we know who the kingpin is, I'm starting to feel sorry for Jose. Not only did this whole thing blow up in his face, it seems that he was perfectly set up to be the "fall guy" and go down alone. We as a community can't let that happen.

Gazillion, you're a good person, and your intentions were noble. I'm letting Rangey and everyone else know that.

I've studied all your posts trying to find your motive for defending Jose earlier on, and in pm's, but I have found that you're just a friendly/helpful guy who provides value here on 2p2.

Sauce just posted in the other thread. Sadly, it looks as if Jose intended to scam Sauce telling him to get money on IPOKER to play a big fish

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=661

the ghoster!

looool

I can vouch for that x100.

Land of the Free on the other hand is some kind of weirdo/shill/something. Check his work in the S:P Ivey thread.