Hi MikeyFan,

Good points and I kinda put the FT onto Ferguson & Lederer in terms of poker players. Didn't know much about Bloch role. I stand corrected if that is the case.

This ^^^ and FYP

I guess I stand corrected about anyone associated with Fulll Tilt, so no Andy Bloch or Eric Siedel.

I'm now voting for elames209! I like to believe in the goodness of people!

zeejustin

Daniel Negreanu?

The thousands of players who "never lie" about their hands but never show.

wtf

Seeing as Tony G is so open about it when he's cheating or crossing the line, one could claim in he's actually trustworthy, although 'honest' would still not fit the bill, just honest about his lying.

“It’s poker, Phil! Of course I lied!”

These are the 10 most trustworthy in no particular order:
Chino Rheem
Russ Hamilton
Eric Lindgren
Eli Elezra
NY Poker King
Hash Tag King
Chris Ferguson
Howard Lederer
Mike Postle
Men Nguyen

Honest poker players is the wrong way to categorize…

Poker players are on a spectrum of being narcissistic vs empathetic (like all people)

Everyone starts somewhere and then either grows in the right direction of empathy or regresses into Narcism.

People who don’t play back debts and have no intention of doing so fall into the narcissistic category.

For example I consider myself moving towards being more empathetic.. so if someone felt I slighted them I would overcompensate to make things right.

Take player x who hasn’t paid back 100k+ debts. If I were him I would focus on paying back the debt and then I would consider paying interest or some sort of extra for slow paying (like buying the lender into an event or something)

However the narcissistic player x will only ever see things from his pov. Incapable of growth he will come off as “dishonest” but it’s a mischaracterization IMO. The persons not being dishonest they’re just not being empathetic.

How do you know that he knew about FTP problems? From what I remember Bitar pretty much kept things secret until black Friday happened and he had to come clean.

They all knew. The only ones who didn't know, didn't care to know.

most epic thread in the history of the internet, i bumbed it like 7 times

people who dont bluff

A bluff is not a lie, it is a statement about your opponents hand.

You don't truly know how honest any poker player is until times are tough.. Easy to be honest when you're up millions

Wasn't Barry Greenstein was sponsored by PokerStars?

I was so disappointed when I visited it and found the photos expired

Very true. Of course that can be extended to the general population. when a crime or dishonest act has a punishment which you would endure for x dollars, and a y chance of being caught, you can't deduce that someone is honest when they refrain from that dishonesty when the upside is smaller than xy.

No, its a part of a good range construction.

Has anybody mentioned galfond? Speaking of galfond how is his site doing

Also vn to see dave skanksy taking a break from malleable barely legals to post here. Where x is young and y is easy to manipulate

Amen to this. Payment processors as well as lord knows how much we all collectively had in player points. I know we were all just happy to finally get that big check that Isai facilitated, but in no way were we all made whole.

As I recall he lost about $400 k on Full Tilt without ever depositing to the site. He "borrowed" the funds from Full Tilt to play on the site and there was a dispute about it after Black Friday when the recievers were trying to recover the money.

Dan Harrington?