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09-05-2023 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lwlee
There should be SERIOUS consequences for those who accused and then are found to either be lying about what they said OR just attention whoring. This same crap is now happening to Rampage.

Quite convenient, that Wesley accuser is "anonymous". Guy needs to step up and reveal himself. Burden is on the accuser to make his case.


You want SERIOUS consequences when we don't even know if the accusations are true or false yet? Have some patience, people will dig into this. Nagy is in the comments in the Rampage accusation saying security is looking into it, and I don't see how the two are connected.

If someone messages me with a fake story threatening to post it unless I pay them 35k, I'm going to screenshot that and post it if I'm innocent, why even worry about this noise? It's all alleged at this point, but if the guy already dealt with threats or burglary he feels is connected to the situation, of course he's going to remain anonymous. The website is going to make him 0 dollars, and the Rampage multi-accounter accuser is going to get 0$ as well for his trouble so I don't see the incentive.
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09-05-2023 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks1
You want SERIOUS consequences when we don't even know if the accusations are true or false yet? Have some patience, people will dig into this. Nagy is in the comments in the Rampage accusation saying security is looking into it, and I don't see how the two are connected.

If someone messages me with a fake story threatening to post it unless I pay them 35k, I'm going to screenshot that and post it if I'm innocent, why even worry about this noise? It's all alleged at this point, but if the guy already dealt with threats or burglary he feels is connected to the situation, of course he's going to remain anonymous. The website is going to make him 0 dollars, and the Rampage multi-accounter accuser is going to get 0$ as well for his trouble so I don't see the incentive.
This is 2023. There does not need to be an incentive. People do all kinds of random things to people they don’t like. Staying anonymous has zero benefit for this person. If Wesley had his home broken into as is claimed and texted this guy back as claimed then Wesley knows exactly who he is. If anything remaining anonymous if the claims are true puts the person in more danger as only Wesley would know who he is. The story does not add up. Who knows if he was scammed or not, but I read his story as an attempt to scam everyone into believing something that either did not happen or happened much differently than the way it is being presented.
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09-05-2023 , 04:38 PM
He said Wesley was 'non-responsive' and maybe by 'blocked' he meant Wesley blocked his specific number. What else doesn't' add up? I agree people make stuff up all the time, but do you really believe this story is more likely to be made up then it being a reasonable portrayal of what happened?

Maybe some details are fudged, and the guy still seems to think it was a good investment to make even after being scammed so perhaps isn't the sharpest person, but given the screenshots of messages/police reports/bank wire etc. this isn't exactly a baseless claim. Given some of the items that support his story, Wesley may need to do more then post one tweet brushing it off.
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09-05-2023 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks1
You want SERIOUS consequences when we don't even know if the accusations are true or false yet? Have some patience, people will dig into this. Nagy is in the comments in the Rampage accusation saying security is looking into it, and I don't see how the two are connected.

If someone messages me with a fake story threatening to post it unless I pay them 35k, I'm going to screenshot that and post it if I'm innocent, why even worry about this noise? It's all alleged at this point, but if the guy already dealt with threats or burglary he feels is connected to the situation, of course he's going to remain anonymous. The website is going to make him 0 dollars, and the Rampage multi-accounter accuser is going to get 0$ as well for his trouble so I don't see the incentive.
Post it? Every scammer that tries to scam you, you are going to make it a public spectacle by posting? It seems Wes gets a lot of this type of negative attacks for example, the stuff with Huss who attacked Wes based on hearsay. His twitter would probably be littered with that crap. As already been noted, there is potentially some kind of shakedown that could be happening with Wes. That's the incentive. FYI, I'm not totally exonerating Wes. Now that the accusation has been thrown, the investigation needs to be done. I'm not like those religious Trump fanatics who don't care if he's wrong. If anyone is found to be guilty of the crime, they need to do the time.

As for Rampage accuser, it seems to be attention whoring, as evident by his recent tweet. Dude is backtracking saying ummm maybe I'm wrong but you should at least apologize. Huh, you just accused someone of a pretty horrible thing but now you backtracking cuz you realize you were talking out of your ass, without the real receipts????

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09-05-2023 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by freedom 35
He said Wesley was 'non-responsive' and maybe by 'blocked' he meant Wesley blocked his specific number. What else doesn't' add up? I agree people make stuff up all the time, but do you really believe this story is more likely to be made up then it being a reasonable portrayal of what happened?

Maybe some details are fudged, and the guy still seems to think it was a good investment to make even after being scammed so perhaps isn't the sharpest person, but given the screenshots of messages/police reports/bank wire etc. this isn't exactly a baseless claim. Given some of the items that support his story, Wesley may need to do more then post one tweet brushing it off.
Yes, one way for Wes to exonerate himself is to show the account numbers aren't his or tied to him in any way. If the allegations are true, Wes needs to be exposed but if not, this anonymous accuser needs to face equal consequences.
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09-05-2023 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by freedom 35
He said Wesley was 'non-responsive' and maybe by 'blocked' he meant Wesley blocked his specific number. What else doesn't' add up? I agree people make stuff up all the time, but do you really believe this story is more likely to be made up then it being a reasonable portrayal of what happened?

Maybe some details are fudged, and the guy still seems to think it was a good investment to make even after being scammed so perhaps isn't the sharpest person, but given the screenshots of messages/police reports/bank wire etc. this isn't exactly a baseless claim. Given some of the items that support his story, Wesley may need to do more then post one tweet brushing it off.
Read what he wrote again. He said he was non-responsive to any form of alternative contact. Then ten paragraphs later says the exact opposite that Wesley responded basically taking accountability for a felony. How dumb would you have to be to say “they got to u” or whatever the guy claims he texted. That is a plot and villain straight out of a 1988 Die Hard movie with a 2023 storyline. From the story the guy is saying he understands that some other guy is going to be screwed over so he can profit, then realizes once he is broke that he was duped and he was the fall guy. So true story or fake story, the accuser is a piece of ****. Anyone who is trying to get rich on crypto undertands the game, it is all a ponzi other than perhaps bitcoin.
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09-05-2023 , 05:25 PM
How hard would it be to check if there is anything that ties wesley to this shitcoin. Pump and dumps are quite common in the cryptospace, and influencers use their public credibility to push this crap as a good investment while dumping at the first possible opportunity.
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09-05-2023 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
Read what he wrote again. He said he was non-responsive to any form of alternative contact. Then ten paragraphs later says the exact opposite that Wesley responded basically taking accountability for a felony. How dumb would you have to be to say “they got to u” or whatever the guy claims he texted. That is a plot and villain straight out of a 1988 Die Hard movie with a 2023 storyline. From the story the guy is saying he understands that some other guy is going to be screwed over so he can profit, then realizes once he is broke that he was duped and he was the fall guy. So true story or fake story, the accuser is a piece of ****. Anyone who is trying to get rich on crypto undertands the game, it is all a ponzi other than perhaps bitcoin.
I have reread it, I suggest you do the same. He stated: "we found that he had blocked our numbers and was non-responsive to any alternative forms of contact.". This was in reference to when he first realized he had been scammed. I don't get why you believe this means he was never responsive again. Regardless, I'm not nearly hung up on this detail as you are. So again, what else doesn't add up? The accuser being a POS, complicit, or naïve has nothing to do with whether the story is true as stated.
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09-05-2023 , 06:27 PM
Does Rampage know he can have accounts on multiple WPN skins?
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09-05-2023 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by freedom 35
I have reread it, I suggest you do the same. He stated: "we found that he had blocked our numbers and was non-responsive to any alternative forms of contact.". This was in reference to when he first realized he had been scammed. I don't get why you believe this means he was never responsive again. Regardless, I'm not nearly hung up on this detail as you are. So again, what else doesn't add up? The accuser being a POS, complicit, or naïve has nothing to do with whether the story is true as stated.
The accuser being complicit or a POS has nothing to do with the story being true as stated. Lol What? So you believe a jailhouse snitch first until someone can prove definitively his wild story is false? Lol
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09-05-2023 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Wumpy
I agree with this. Most of the replies so far seem to have a warped perception of who deserves blame in cases where a naive/stupid person is blatantly victimized.

Being a dumb, careless, or even greedy person doesn't give other people the right to steal from you. It doesn't matter at all what type of person the victim is. It's ridiculous that this even needs to be said.

I have a theory that the type of person whose first reaction is to criticize the victim in cases like this would be very likely to victimize people in the same way if they knew they could get away with it. It's a very narcissistic mindset to think that people who aren't as smart as you are (or think you are) deserve to be taken advantage of.
Agree with this.

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Originally Posted by borg23
Correct about victim blaming to a point but read the entire story.
This guy was perfectly fine with other people getting scammed if he made a ton of money. His issue with Wes isn't that Wes was scamming,it's that this guy was one of the marks when he thought he was on the right side of the scam.

Wes tells him they're manipulating the price and they're waiting for this big fish to be reeled in which will drive the price up so they can dump it. Does he say "I want nothing to do with this scam" and sell. No he holds because he thinks he's on on the scam.

Now if Wes instead was blowing smoke up his ass telling him how great this coin was gonna be, it's gonna compete with Bitcoin bc of reason x y and z etc. then I would say he was merely stupid and careless.

It's also amazing he clearly learned nothing from being scammed. He still justifies his original decision by staying something to the effect of "why wouldn't you listen to someone with a large social media following who tells you that you can 10x your money"?

If everything he said is true then Wes is a scumbag and scammer- but so is the guy who got scammed.
Agree with this even more.
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09-05-2023 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
The accuser being complicit or a POS has nothing to do with the story being true as stated. Lol What? So you believe a jailhouse snitch first until someone can prove definitively his wild story is false? Lol
Ya he seems like a POS for being part of the pump and dump. He seems to not GAF about sharing that in order to expose Wesley. I don't know what your getting at with jailhouse snitches or how that is analogous to this situation.

I'll go back to my original point--it seems far more likely there is some truth to the story then it being 100% made up given the information he has provided and his willingness to out his identify if needed (assuming you read to the end of his post). Does that mean he isn't lying to sully Wesley's reputation? Nope, but Wesley is likely going to have to do more then just ignore it. You may be right but your level of self assuredness is absurd.
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09-05-2023 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by freedom 35
Ya he seems like a POS for being part of the pump and dump. He seems to not GAF about sharing that in order to expose Wesley. I don't know what your getting at with jailhouse snitches or how that is analogous to this situation.

I'll go back to my original point--it seems far more likely there is some truth to the story then it being 100% made up given the information he has provided and his willingness to out his identify if needed (assuming you read to the end of his post). Does that mean he isn't lying to sully Wesley's reputation? Nope, but Wesley is likely going to have to do more then just ignore it. You may be right but your level of self assuredness is absurd.
What do you mean he does not GAF? He is not even telling you who he is. You have no idea if he is a real person. If he did not GAF he would post his name and stand behind his accusations. Because it has nothing to do with him being scared of Wesley as he claims. Because if its true Wesley knows who he is, how does staying anonymous with the writing keep him from being harmed by Wesley if that is who he is scared of lol? There are so many holes in the anonymous story and you want to take it as mostly true based on what? Some pictures of messages that can be made with any app? Of a guy who blocked and would not speak to them and suddenly admits to a felony via text? Sorry I blocked you before. Yup I sent my guys to burglarize your house

Freedom35 “obviously saying he was blocked only meant temporarily until he changed his mind and confessed to killing his pregnant girlfriend on text”
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09-05-2023 , 08:50 PM
Hi Wesley
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09-05-2023 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
What do you mean he does not GAF? He is not even telling you who he is. You have no idea if he is a real person. If he did not GAF he would post his name and stand behind his accusations. Because it has nothing to do with him being scared of Wesley as he claims. Because if its true Wesley knows who he is, how does staying anonymous with the writing keep him from being harmed by Wesley if that is who he is scared of lol? There are so many holes in the anonymous story and you want to take it as mostly true based on what? Some pictures of messages that can be made with any app? Of a guy who blocked and would not speak to them and suddenly admits to a felony via text? Sorry I blocked you before. Yup I sent my guys to burglarize your house

Freedom35 “obviously saying he was blocked only meant temporarily until he changed his mind and confessed to killing his pregnant girlfriend on text”
why do you not use your real name on 2+2? anonymity is almost essential online unless you are already a public figure. The internet is vicious and people are biased af when it comes to celebrities, even F-list ones like wesley. If a pro scammed me I wouldn't be barging in like "HELLO IM NATHANIEL BARNES, PLS SEARCH ME ONLINE AND USE wHAT YOU FIND TO DISCREDIT MY CLAIMS AND HARASS ME BECAUSE I CRITICIZED THE CELEBRITY YOU LIKE".

The story follows a pretty normal timeline, and I can picture wesley being smug enough to taunt someone he swindled, he taunts pretty much everyone he beats at poker. The scam makes no sense because there is no financial gain to be had by outting wesley; it would have to be a pure effort to discredit wesley's reputation and it doesn't make sense. Even if he messaged wesley threatening to expose him if he didn't pay up, that would just be an attempt to recoup some of his losses and avoid further headaches. If someone is making this up, it should be super easy for wesley to prove that they are. For now, there are screenshots of conversations and a transaction log.

It's a pretty elaborate story to make up, but it all hinges on whether wesley was directly involved with SupremeX and whether other people were sold or advertised similar investments. If he was involved, I'm not sure why he couldn't just say the big investor flaked on him and he couldn't avoid the sell-off. Basically, I'm not writing off the claim just because it's poorly written in some spots, but it only has legs if they can get some corroborating witnesses or proof connecting SupremeX to wesley.
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09-05-2023 , 09:19 PM
I followed Wesley about a year ago on IG. within minutes, he DM'd me trying to get me to invest in his ponzi scheme lol

definite scumbag. matter of time before he gets the **** beaten out of him.

sorry you got scammed but you let greed get the best of you
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09-05-2023 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks1
why do you not use your real name on 2+2? anonymity is almost essential online unless you are already a public figure. The internet is vicious and people are biased af when it comes to celebrities, even F-list ones like wesley. If a pro scammed me I wouldn't be barging in like "HELLO IM NATHANIEL BARNES, PLS SEARCH ME ONLINE AND USE wHAT YOU FIND TO DISCREDIT MY CLAIMS AND HARASS ME BECAUSE I CRITICIZED THE CELEBRITY YOU LIKE".

The story follows a pretty normal timeline, and I can picture wesley being smug enough to taunt someone he swindled, he taunts pretty much everyone he beats at poker. The scam makes no sense because there is no financial gain to be had by outting wesley; it would have to be a pure effort to discredit wesley's reputation and it doesn't make sense. Even if he messaged wesley threatening to expose him if he didn't pay up, that would just be an attempt to recoup some of his losses and avoid further headaches. If someone is making this up, it should be super easy for wesley to prove that they are. For now, there are screenshots of conversations and a transaction log.

It's a pretty elaborate story to make up, but it all hinges on whether wesley was directly involved with SupremeX and whether other people were sold or advertised similar investments. If he was involved, I'm not sure why he couldn't just say the big investor flaked on him and he couldn't avoid the sell-off. Basically, I'm not writing off the claim just because it's poorly written in some spots, but it only has legs if they can get some corroborating witnesses or proof connecting SupremeX to wesley.
And so lets say the story is true. He scammed a guy willing to scam whoever to make his money. Nick Vertucci, by all accounts on BBB, took life savings from regular honest people He is still sitting close to the top of the food chain of poker celebrities. That stuff is old news to 99% of people. You watch a stream and people mostly love him. Or maybe they just ban the haters? Donald Trump, how many awful things has the man done and said? But all forgiven because charisma is all that seems to matter today. Your reputation is simply how loud famous and rich you are and little to do with how honest you are. Moral of the story I dont trust Wesley. I dont trust really anyone who plays poker until Ive know you for years. Poker by nature is heavily populated with people who will scratch and claw to get any dollar they can. Is Wesley shadY? Isnt everyone in crypto scheming in some way to get rich?

The story makes no sense. Breaking into a girlfriends apartment to get a hard drive or thumb drive of documents? Like how does wesley know what to have his goons look for? Do they have guns with silencers when they break in? Does he have a bug in the apartment? Sent in the covert surveillance team weeks before to bug them and overhear where all the data is and then aha the guy breaks down crying to his girl about all the money he lost to some guy who looks like hes 12, plays poker and said trust me. I know a guy buying in huge? Then told her where he stores all the files and they overhear it? Of course springing the plan into action to rob the documents.
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09-05-2023 , 10:54 PM
If the story is true it’s equivalent to insider trading and fraud. He was stringing along his marks all the while liqiuidating his position while telling them not to sell. Even if you think the guy is also an ******* it’s clearly perceived as being damaging enough to wesley for him to refute it.

I have to feel anyone defending wesley here (again if true) just doesn’t know that much about crypto or what wes is being aaccused of.
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09-06-2023 , 09:01 AM
Anyone who thinks there is a chance OP made this up, is a ****ing fool.
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09-06-2023 , 10:18 AM
This is called a pump and dump. It's extremely common in the stock market and there are large scale scams that trick people like you into investing. See ticker HKD (https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/hkd/) for instance earlier this year. They use large chat groups to get investors and are months long operations. You got got.
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09-06-2023 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 88keyz
This is called a pump and dump. It's extremely common in the stock market and there are large scale scams that trick people like you into investing. See ticker HKD (https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/hkd/) for instance earlier this year. They use large chat groups to get investors and are months long operations. You got got.
Lol, the wonderful world of stock manipulation. The level of sophistication is at an all time high. Check out Vivek Ramaswamy failed RVT-101 drug. Dude got his mother, a doctor, to vouch for the data. Or look at Chamath Palihapitiya, the so-called former SPAC king. Every single of his SPACs ended up as failures but surprise, surprise, he got out "early", to the tune of hundred of millions. Now look at where they are today. One is a GOP Presidential candidate on an upward trajectory. The other hosts a popular podcast.
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09-06-2023 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by vesku
Anyone who thinks there is a chance OP made this up, is a ****ing fool.
The cops gave him a generic sheet of paper lol? Then said they wont give the OP back some footage of a burglary because they think it is related to other burglaries in the area? And I am an idiot if I think anything other than this is a true story. That the cops believe this burglary is the same as other burglaries in the area. That Wesleys goons came in to grab a hard drive they somehow knew contained the crucial information to salvage his reputation and also along the way burglarized many others in the area in the same way because they heard that had some tasty snacks in the fridge and also other hard drives to find. Everyone in the area was scammed by Wesley. He sent the thugs to break in to every pregnant girlfriends house. The British Interpol has contacted the FBI and CIA to see what they know about Chinese gangs snatching up all the thumb drives in London. Like has Wesley been doing this in Macon Georgia too? All those poor pregnant girlfriends terrified for their lives. Where is the reporter at to get all this breaking news?
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09-06-2023 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
The cops gave him a generic sheet of paper lol? Then said they wont give the OP back some footage of a burglary because they think it is related to other burglaries in the area? And I am an idiot if I think anything other than this is a true story. That the cops believe this burglary is the same as other burglaries in the area. That Wesleys goons came in to grab a hard drive they somehow knew contained the crucial information to salvage his reputation and also along the way burglarized many others in the area in the same way because they heard that had some tasty snacks in the fridge and also other hard drives to find. Everyone in the area was scammed by Wesley. He sent the thugs to break in to every pregnant girlfriends house. The British Interpol has contacted the FBI and CIA to see what they know about Chinese gangs snatching up all the thumb drives in London. Like has Wesley been doing this in Macon Georgia too? All those poor pregnant girlfriends terrified for their lives. Where is the reporter at to get all this breaking news?
One possibility is the anonymous dude got rekt'ed on this pump/dump and decided to get his pound of flesh by making up the break-in. He's gonna get his money's worth one way or another. Destroying Wes' reputation would do it.
But if Wes was involved or orchestrating this SupremeX sh*tcoin, that would be enough for me to lump him with SBF, Do Kwon of the world.
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09-06-2023 , 01:25 PM
I just dont see Wes or anyone sending ppl to some guys apartment in a different continent over 250k...

Also being able to perfectly time it for when hes on a camping trip just to try and retrieve a thumb drive when all of their conversations are happening on a messaging service that uses the cloud....

It is confirmed that Wes was part of the Supreme coin project as there is the interview with him where he is discussing the project, so the 250k wire is likely to be legit. However investing via wire into an alt project is for sure not the norm for someone not involved in any of the dev. The guy chose not to send the 250k in btc, which Im just hypothesizing here but imo if he sent via btc then he would have had a much different investment. With btc he'd be given 250k worth of the token, which would have been in his control. Instead he sent the 250k via wire, which made his investment be part of the project as a whole.

At one point he thinks the project is stagnant and is debating pulling his funds. He asked Wes about it but then agreed to his advice to keep the investment live bc of the 'asian fish' that he was hoping to profit off of when the coin 50x or w/e. Who knows if he would have been adamant and insisted he get his investment back if Wes would have obliged. He willingly chose to not do that so he cant exactly cry wolf. If he sent the 250k in btc tho maybe he would have been in the drivers seat more.

However 99% of ppl who invest in alts lose $. Its really only the ppl who are behind the tokens and the super defi nerds who make $. Not trying to dunk on the guy but if this $ meant a future for him and his fam and now hes SOL, this was insanely degen and hopefully he invests more conservatively in the future. Which could mean just putting it all on a few #'s in roulette as that is arguably less volatile as alts.

I dont think someone made this situation up out of thin air, that would be pointless and a massive waste of time for the benefit of tarnishing the reputation of the Chinese crypto guy on the Hustler poker stream. Not exactly a guy held in high esteem. I think the likely scenario is its somewhere in the middle where yes he sent and invested 250k for this supreme token. Yes he lost money. But it wasnt as nefarious as he is making it out to be. Is it scummy? Yeah, its an altcoin project banking on an "asian fish" for its payday. But was it outright fraud then a violent home invasion? Doesnt seem like it.

They did post some date that Wes is going to be taken in by the feds/ICE or something like that, I believe that is tomorrow the 7th?? So I guess we shall see
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09-06-2023 , 02:04 PM
Always some shitcoin someone made that turns out to be a pump and dump rugpull.
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