They can't fully reimburse players with funds lost to bots unless they confiscate the funds that other people have won from the bots also.

I got this the other day when I was playing 2-4 tables of NL100. I thought it was pretty weird but good overall I guess. I wonder what the algorithm is because I can't imagine I was doing anything bot-like.

"To the point of how you believe I need to discuss/reveal/explain the methodology on how I prove a bot is a bot is something that I do not believe should be discussed in the open on a public forum." - Then why should the names be discussed in a public forum? If it's a problem and you've reported it to the correct places they will be handled, right? You can be a hero in the dark knowing you helped the masses.

However if you're just going to accuse names without any evidence or any means to back up any of what you're saying, you're just a jackass making life difficult on other people.

If you post the names you post the evidence, the "massive" research you do to back it up. If you don't post the names, nobody gets all pissed off and you can still have your bots banned.

What do you want, a high five from the collective community, is that why you made a post with a bunch of names? C'mon man.

I can accuse a ton of people of murder, but I need something to back it up. When asked to back it up I can't say "Well, that's not really for the general public to know. But trust me, these guys are murders!"

C'mon dude.

I played Stars for about 2 years, without ever seeing a CAPTCHA box.

The very first time I fired up the PT3 Hud at Stars, I got the CAPTCHA box, which leads me to assume that Stars has some way of detecting 3rd party software.

FTP didn't even seem to notice the PT Hud.

Serious question...

Why are bots bad?

If I'm programming a bot, then I could certainly be playing the way I'd code a bot to play.

To use an analogy, I could record every hand history I play and put it into a spreadsheet, but PT does that for me and it's not cheating.

By the same logic, then, I think, if I could write code for a bot which is basically a slightly-more-complicated preflop hand chart, I don't think it should be wrong if I can run my bot to show a profit.

what limit do these bots play at? do any of them play 50-100, or did in January?

A better question would be, "How could anyone not understand why bots are BAD for the poker community?"

But since some seem to need an explanation, I and others like me are a good example of why bots are bad.

At my (fishy) stage, I and others like me, (or those that just jump in without even knowing about bots) would probably lose to the bots at the higher levels, and that money would go to the bot owners, instead of you, and those like you, that have presumably worked hard to get to the higher levels.

Also, it would almost certainly piss many less skillful players off, to the point where they might stop playing, or only play live.

The bot owners will be in the clubs, or on the beach, spending what could have been your money, while you forlornly sit at a table waiting for me to come along.

...and all the while their bots tirelessly sit home earning.

A better question would be, "How could anyone not understand why bots are BAD for the poker community?"

But since some seem to need an explanation, I and others like me are a good example of why bots are bad.

At my (fishy) stage, I and others like me, (or those that just jump in without even knowing about bots) would probably lose to the bots at the higher levels, and that money would go to the bot owners, instead of you, and those like you, that have presumably worked hard to get to the higher levels.

Also, it would almost certainly piss many off, to the point where they might stop playing, or only play live.

The bot owners will be in the clubs, or on the beach, spending what could have been your money, while you forlornly sit at a table waiting for me to come along.

...and all the while their bots tirelessly sit home earning.

very nice good looking out i will keep watch for these s/n's

"I have already been through a series of tests and have analyzed the evidence to a point where I am confident a human could not play or exhibit the types of behavior/actions/algorithms that these accounts show."

How confident?

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+1 qft etc. If Mr. Gatorade would like to wager on whether rsigley is convicted as a bot by FTP, I'd gladly put down a few grand and give you 2-1. I mean, you must have at least that much confidence in your methods, right?

I'm not afraid of bots. I fear only the Yeti. And space monkeys. And if they ever collude...well, God help us all.

why not?

so you can play 24 hours a day with no bathroom or food breaks, never get tired, play your exact same game whether it be at 1 or 24 tables, and never tilt even in the slightest? very impressive.

An ever-vigilant watch is kept:

From: michael stevenson
Sent: Fri 3/07/08 4:06 PM
To: support@pokerstars.com
hi guys,

i was playing the 10-cent turbo [nlhe] @ 4am est today.
i had checked "auto-fold" a number of times in a row.... they were pewp hands, trust me.
all of a sudden, i get this msg. in my chatbox...
"you have 100 seconds to type in such-and such code..."
so I did, and things returned to normal.
If this is used to thwart auto-fold bots, I UNDERSTAND FULLY
It's just that i never saw it before.
[oh btw i cashed in that, yay]

thx

$pike


Hello Michael,

Thank you for your Email.

The prompt you received is a legitimate part of PokerStars' robot player
detection and prevention system, known as a CAPTCHA. CAPTCHA is an
acronym for "Completely Automated Public Turing Test to tell Computers
and Humans Apart".

This system helps ensure that PokerStars is as free of "bots" as we can
make it. The system has been designed such that most players will
experience a CAPTCHA very rarely so as not to be intrusive upon your
game play. The exact criteria for who receives a CAPTCHA and when
cannot be divulged.

We ask for your cooperation in completing the CAPTCHA whenever it is
presented to you, in order to help protect the integrity and security of
our games here on PokerStars. Failure to complete the CAPTCHA when
prompted may subject your account to unnecessary further CAPTCHAs or
more careful scrutiny of your account.

Good luck in your games, and thank you for playing on PokerStars.

Regards,

Troy
PokerStars Support Team

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BZZZZT! Thank you for playing.

Greg Wohletz had "r00lbot" coded and playing on the old irc.poker.net server more than ten years ago. The UA Edmonton group field-tested early versions of their bot there, too.

I can appreciate what Mikes doing but I think the guy suffers from Paranoia.

I've railed his games and the first minute hes losing he starts accusing his opponents of being a bot, it's sad; especially when they are talking back...

This is a completely illogical view to maintain. Running a bot is in violation of the TOC of most sites. The mere fact someone violates the TOC doesn't immediately mean you deserve any sort of refund.

Unless I'm completely mistaken the program(s) these bots run off is flawed and is exploitable. Also, as far as I know, this program(s) plays LHE within the confines of the accepted rules of the game itself and does not utilize any information not available to a human player. Is it unfair you lost money to someone violating the TOC? Sure, of course it is. That doesn't mean you deserve a freeroll on FT's behalf though.

the university of alberta bot can already beat anybody except 'thebryce' (and maybe him) hu limit..
be afraid

http://poker.cs.ualberta.ca/