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04-18-2012 , 09:27 AM
it was confirmed yesterday/day before
04-18-2012 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by starvingwriter82
If that site has done even the tiniest thing to show that they are credible and should be listened to in any way, I haven't seen it. Someone please feel free to educate me. .
A Marketing specialist itt already predicted FTP2 would be very innovative.
So these articles are fully according to his expectations.
If you actually have a look around on their site you'll discover these guys are very trustworthy.

GBT/innovation is the best thing that could happen for poker.
Pokerrooms will finally be forced to mature and take us serious.

This example shows they have really given this some thought;

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Originally Posted by Twistedd
I think that chance is pretty high if u do it good.

Assume both of you played 5k hands and payed 100$ in rake. Combined with 3$ you pay to flip( i assume flipping isnt against the rules) u paid 103$ in rake and lost 500$. I hope you get more than 3$ lossback if u lose 500$ in 5k hands with 103$ in rake paid.
How much you get back for that depends on the amount of hands you played and the average buy in.
With many hands that average buy in remains low and with few hands the lossback will be low.

Genius.
04-18-2012 , 09:39 AM
Lossback will never work. Even if they make it 100% rakeback equivalent its an insignificant amount compared with the losses that result from real bad play.
04-18-2012 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by davmcg
your point about rake paid is obv correct, but the original point is valid. ie Two players with high volume low profits flip to turn one in to a loss maker and get some rakeback.
OH! now that is some creative thinking right there... my bad, that could work, yes... also hard to detect if only one out of 5000 hands is illegitimate...

edit: but i do agree with the point made a bit further down, basing it on average potsize/buyin should close this loophole...
04-18-2012 , 09:44 AM
Apparently the software went 'live' briefly... Linky
04-18-2012 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Eldorian
flawed... you certainly dont get more than 103 back, which is the relevant rake number, not the one flip hand...
Ofc what matters is the 3$.
You both play 5k hands against different people, then u flip.
You pay the 100$ rake anyway. If u both win and dont flip, u dont get anything back. If 1 of u wins 1k and the other loses 500$ in 5k hands, he'll def get back more then that 3$, the rake u paided when u played against each other.
04-18-2012 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic
Apparently the software went 'live' briefly... Linky
there's a thread about this somewhere

it's funny how for every "blip on the radar" thread here there are 10 or so news articles spawning across the interwebz

Last edited by sky4ever; 04-18-2012 at 09:50 AM. Reason: added link
04-18-2012 , 09:49 AM
Slow pony apologises. Previous thread was locked, did not see.
04-18-2012 , 09:51 AM
Has anyone noticed the 'Team Limpers' link on fulltiltpoker.com? Looks like a French Poker Instructor team or something, has this always been there or has GBT just set it up recently?
04-18-2012 , 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiHer0
Has anyone noticed the 'Team Limpers' link on fulltiltpoker.com? Looks like a French Poker Instructor team or something, has this always been there or has GBT just set it up recently?
Link?
04-18-2012 , 10:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiHer0
Has anyone noticed the 'Team Limpers' link on fulltiltpoker.com? Looks like a French Poker Instructor team or something, has this always been there or has GBT just set it up recently?
It was there a couple of weeks ago, so probably always there but don't really know
04-18-2012 , 10:04 AM
Team limpers has been a part of FTP for quite a while now.
04-18-2012 , 10:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiHer0
Has anyone noticed the 'Team Limpers' link on fulltiltpoker.com? Looks like a French Poker Instructor team or something, has this always been there or has GBT just set it up recently?
Assuming the wayback machine is a good source, team limpers has been on the dating back at least to 5/23/11

http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/www...m/team-limpers
04-18-2012 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DuumaPomm
Lossback sounds like a terrible idea.

Losing degens and recreational players dont care about it anyway. Think about it. Lets say recreational player deposits 500 dol, he then loses it in one night and gets lets say 20% of it back ( probably would get alot less like 10%). Anyway he then gets back 100 dol. What does he think now? "Wohooo party time, im rich i got 100 bucks ya all"? No way... he most likely plays 1-2 tournies or takes a shot on 200plo or smthing and loses it quickly.

Now a big time degen... rich or not so rich person whos down alot but keeps depositing. He now loses 10k-20k. He then finds out that he got 1-2k back. Does this make him happy?. No way - all he thinks is his 20k he lost and probably just tries to gamble it up and get it back. But the point is - it does not make him feel any better than 27% rakeback would.

if this is really how it is going to work, its a FANTASTIC idea, DUCY?
04-18-2012 , 10:25 AM
Pocket kings advertising on another job site in Ireland

http://www.irelandjobs77.com/q-pocke...jobs-in-dublin

Is misé Tompakee®
04-18-2012 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
That pic doesn't show for me, maybe try another. If it turns out that I'd have to fill out a huge form and submit income tax returns and stuff like that they can keep my $800.

Unless that '?' is the pic?
Not sure how it didn't show since I made sure to host it myself but it was just a ballin.gif!
04-18-2012 , 10:44 AM
Pretty sure anything under 1k, maybe 1.5k, does not need to be taxed.
04-18-2012 , 10:46 AM
The next person to link to pokerq4 should be banned.
04-18-2012 , 10:48 AM
I still feel quite uncomfortable given there hasn't been any official statments about players being paid back with the site apparently close to relaunching, and the only rumors long ago were not totally promising for a full repayment.

But be that as it may, given that this is the first real news I think it's going to be a prety bad deal for most players. A solid grinder playing 8 tables 8h/d at 100nl would be earning about 5k just in rakeback! Now I don't care how much you're crushing the mid stakes games, unless you're a high stakes player then it's obvious that rackebak is a prety major part of your winnings. No suppose you're basically a break even grinder, the rakeback was still enough to make a living from and now that's gone! So if you're up a couple of buyins at the end of the month you should basically sit at a table and flip untill you lose enoght to be a net loser and earn your rakeback, unless of course the loseback only cuvers x% in rake up to your monthly loses. Either way I can't see this as being a plus for any reg, and even the net loser will like be in same boat (maybe marginally better) as before if they had rakeback.

Now suppose you're more recriational winner and only play 4 tables 4h/d, then rackeback is obviously less, but still enough for a bascially breakeven student to get by on and for a small winner (even half a buyin a day) to actually be able to make a living from now. So it will actually eliminate a lot of traffic from such players. And I don't see the consistent loser getting anywhere near enogh in lossback for them to generate more traffic or have that significantly more to lose to the winning players, that it's a better deal for ANY winner to get a crack at that money again, as opposed to simply reciving a percent of their own rake back... especially considering how many more hand the regulars actualy rake.

Last edited by D2D; 04-18-2012 at 11:00 AM.
04-18-2012 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Flushstraightin
Pretty sure anything under 1k, maybe 1.5k, does not need to be taxed.
Source? (seriously) I'm pretty sure just about every form of income, no matter how little, requires filing if you live in the U.S.
04-18-2012 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Haupt_234
Source? (seriously) I'm pretty sure just about every form of income, no matter how little, requires filing if you live in the U.S.
Don't see where you two are disagreeing. Any filing with incomes that low (though 1500 may already be taxable depending on other factors), will not be taxed. That does leave the question as to what happens if you don't file at all (is that illegal?) but then get audited only for you to qualify for assistance.
04-18-2012 , 11:09 AM
http://www.pokerq4.com/new-full-tilt-poker-cash-games


Looks like I will have to stay on Stars after all if the S*** is ture.
04-18-2012 , 11:10 AM
seriously, what pokerq4 is ? and what kind of humor is this? fishback etc? lol? some trolls?
04-18-2012 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by andyg2001
http://www.pokerq4.com/new-full-tilt-poker-cash-games


Looks like I will have to stay on Stars after all if the S*** is ture.
Of course its bull****. STOP GIVING THIS SITE FREE PUBLICITY!

If you haven't seen this linked already a bunch of times change your settings to 100 posts per page for gods sake.
04-18-2012 , 11:25 AM
I just seen this twit pic on espnpoker, I thought I would share, sorry if you already seen it.
http://t.co/yUVba2tX

      
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