If we say we know, we know

Does anyone really care what scott matusow has to say about anything?

Well, he has not been saying anything that got posted on 2 plus 2 so how can we answer your question

Not sure why ppl keep posting this as new. I published this 2 weeks ago with an interview with Mr Dayanim. He has been representing GBT with DOJ from the beginning, and will continue to do so. Yes, he is very experienced in this area.
As of earlier this week, the news is that negotiations continue and are still positive. There are many facets of these negotiations that need to be ironed out, so obviously it requires a lot of back and forth and it cant be accomplished in one or two meetings.

Do you have sources that indicate these negotiations have been successful? Also do you have any idea when it's expected that the GBT/DOJ meetings will adjourn based on the notion that things have been going well thus far?

No. His job is to represent the interests of FTP and some of its owners to the best of his ability, to help them to stay out of jail and out of court, to the extent possible. Whether or not anyone not his client is on tilt or not is of no import whatsoever.

Afaik, there are rumors of some verbal offers made, one especially. If the numbers I heard are true, it would not have even made a dent in paying back players, when I say a dent, I mean less than 10%, and we would be in the same position we are in today.

Translated as "I have no idea who I was talking to before. He SAID he was Scott Matusow, and I believed him and everything he said, hook, line, and sinker.

Translated as "Well, guess it wasn't Scott after all. The name was close. But it wasn't him, but I believed and reported everything he said, as if it were something Scott actually said, anyway."


Translated as, "I'm really talking to Scott Matusow NOW and you should believe me, and if you don't, I can send you a pm where I tell you why you should believe me, even though everything I've ever reported as coming from Scott Matusow in the past has been shown to come from someone else entirely."

But PA didn't clear out his account after BF. He played and made money and then, just before FT got totally shut down, he stops and withdraws.

I want to know who else did this? Howard, Dwan, and Seed were on the USO trip. How much money does Huck have online?

10k plus ppl with $??000,and i want my125$

OhRly

<------- not giving you or your 2nd personality Scott a 4th chance


do people really still listen/believe China or Scott Matusow? All they do is claim a ton of random things where a large majority turn out to be wrong and once in a while they are right....

Wernt there a few private emails published sent by Bitar and Lederer that said the company was in a bad financial position and couldnt take a run on the bank.

These emails were sent before the end of June.

Are you suggesting Bitar didnt know how bad a shape the company was in financially?

He knew they were in terrible shape. yet didnt move his public/personal assets.

You are also assuming that ALL the assets seized belonging to Ray Bitar are all of his assets.

Considering the shady things FTP has done it wouldnt shock me if other assets have been hidden away via third parties.

My point was, if PA was tipped off to how bad a shape FTP was in that could have made him withdraw all his funds.

By all reports the shutdown at the end of June only sped up the situation.

They were getting deeper and deeper in debt.

It wasnt public knowledge how bad the situation was in April/May

Was PA using "insider info" to withdraw before the music stopped?

And HOW does he owe FTP money? Why didnt he square up his debt when he withdrew?

Pretty easy. WSOP

But it was arguably common sense to withdraw anyway

Hey all these guys seem to think they'll never get caught or no one can find out anything. This makes me think about the USO, dont the performers have to go to a base and get on a military plane and get flown to the base in another country where they perform? Doesn't that mean no customs? How weird is it that Howard, Seed, Dwan were all out of the country just before and maybe during BF, who did Dwan lose to, do any of these tracking sites say?

And wait a minute, where's the rest of Dwan's money? He lost less than he won in 2010 but he didn't start from zero right? He said he lost his roll during the USO trip?

BS he didn't know what was coming.

perhaps its enough to pay ROW players while the rest wait which would make sense

i could see that happening and would be only fair, afterall the doj is american no?

1) warned in advance about black friday
2) dump all ur mobneys at the tables
3) go to Europe and get the money back from the dummy account you lost it to, some high stakes buddy like PA who gives it back to you, open swiss account while there
4) PROFIT!

Been way too long. I was just hitting my stride in March and April.

PM lets catch up outside this thread.

This is sometimes better than that new Showtime series "Homeland"

Just in case anyone is new to this thread, let me point out that you know nothing for a fact, as you continually claim. You do realize that you are claiming that there was an investor, early, willing to lay out ~ $360mm?

Please feel free to post your "proof" here, or send me a PM or Email.

And while you're at it, I missed your response here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=10105
I saw you view the post, so I know you didnt miss it

Yeah I thought of that. But he only played two events and thats no reason to take off entire BR.

That's pretty cool. How can you tell when someone 'views' your post?

I mean this seriously....is there a way? Thanks

Ok I will admit maybe using the term fact was a bit excessive . But the info I posted from that thread is basically the point I wanted to make.

I am going to take the word of someone closer to the situation (who has nothing to gain by lying) that has sources over some guy who is representing FTP and denies there was ever a deal in place to pay all of the players.

These guys are greedy criminals here and want more than just to get the average joe paid

pm sent

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