Will there be less rake on the EDU tables?

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This just really seems like one of those things that looked good on paper when they were discussing it, but in reality makes little sense for everyone involved.

Cardrunners is going to gain revenue of course, but they'll lose credibility. I'm a subscriber and I will most likely remain one, but I'll take the FT videos with a grain of salt until I'm convinced I shouldn't.

As a semi-regular player on FullTilt, I'd much rather they didn't do this deal. Many sides of this argument have already been discussed ad nauseum, but count me as one of the guys who don't want Cardrunners videos more widely available.

FullTilt is now forced to use a lot of duct tape and mirrors to make this "fit". I would guess that if they could un-do this deal, then they would. The whole value of "pros" to them, imo, is so the casual player can feel good about where they play, and maybe win a t-shirt when they busted out some guy they know from tv. I question how 99% of their recent additions satisfy this at all.

Not knowing the terms of the red-pro deals, I would guess that a large percentage of them will not be renewed. With all respect to the CR boys, I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of them.

I agree 100%

This ****ing crap drives me nuts. There is no "hate" you ****ing monkey. It's about paying customers expressing opinions about the service they are subscribing to. I have loved CR over the years, and it's still great. I certainly don't hate it or anyone associated with it.

But I pay my sub, and have a right to say I don't think all this is a good way for CR to progress. That's all. I don't know why some ****ing ******ed children here insist on personalising the issue.

And while I think Taylor would disagree with my tone in this post, I doubt that, as a good businessman, he disagrees with the general point - customers of his business have the right to express an opinion on how it's being run. It's not a charity or group of buddies we're all helping out. It's a frigging business.

If this was true then I would have to say its an absolutely fantastic solution. However, I don't think they will. It remains to be seen though and I suppose once everyone realises the videos will only be made rarely it might work out ok.

Also I have an idea re: the compensation. Why not just make the tables rake free whilst a pro is making a video? Sounds compensation enough to me.

Sort of defeats the purpose of anonymity and changing screen names if you can look in the HH and see no rake being taken?

You've expressed your opinion. More than once. Now put a sock in it.

I can't wait to see what these games are going to look like.

Wow. There's an idea - actually wait to see how the tables play instead of bickering over what is essentially speculation at this point.

A+ concept

Give it in the form of 100% RB. They won't know until after.

I think this is a good solution. The prior proposals were so bad that it was remarkable that they got to the point where they were publicly announced, but at least Tilt listened and eventually got it right.

yeah I think that about sums it up.

if new screennames arent generated for the pros after each session then the secret will be out after the first videos are published, entirely defeating the purpose of making anonymous handles.

I have to say I agree with Jimpo and Chomp, anybody who thinks that this CR-FTP deal is anything but bad for existing CR customers is an idiot.

Looking forward to chatting with some of you on the DeucesCracked forums!

Wouldn't the simplest solution be to just switch from CR to one of the other video instructional sites? They all have high quality name-brand pros and solid production values it seems to me.

because if the players are not anonymous (smart) players at higher stakes will not sit down at an EDU table.
If everyone can see how you play and the vid shows them the best ways
to adept to your playing style you're giving yourself a hard time.

if you in fact remain anonymous you (if you feel like it) can play against the pro's and later on see some of the flaws in your game wich you can work on.
And besides take the extra bonus at the fishy tables.


imo this whole idea is totally unnessesary and won't do online poker any good,
it's just a wierd shot at gaining some extra income for CR/FTP.

definitely moving in the right direction. is there going to be a cap on the number of a tables? i feel like these tables will fill up and stay full pretty quickly, and everyone will be playing on them. no reason not to really.

These tables are well over a Month away btw. Taylor, will the CR Pro's be doing videos under there "Red Names" until these table are put into the Client?

This is definately a move in the right direction on CR/FullTilts part.It did seem to take awhile....but sometimes digesting all the possible information/comments/suggestions/etc....gives the parties involved the proper time to digest/process this available information.They can then come up with the 'BEST' solution available,rather than the usual knee-jerk response that is so common in the business world today

GG,
Stephen

Good Post.

I'll play on these tables.

I am so sick of all of you apes saying that educating the fish is a bad idea etc. etc. etc. First off, for a moment, lets ignore the fact that knowing theory doesn't automatically make one a good player. Let's also ignore that in order to become a good poker player, one needs to devote a significant amount of time to both playing and studying when most people simply don't have a lot of spare time available. Now, if someone really wants to get good at poker they will find the material with which to do so as it is everywhere. The old adage of you can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink definitely plays here.

The games are phenominal right now. People have been gambling since money was created, and they will continue to do so long after we are dead. The simple fact is that poker, and internet poker are here for the long haul.