Thanks for the reply. I have been reading Pad's goals threads for years and have learned a lot from them, I think he's a great player and I'm always interested in what he has to say.

My post had 21 words, including "Hi Pads", and consisted of one yes or no question.

Someone posted in this thread that stables associated with Party get preferential deals, I'm just asking him to confirm that this isn't the case.

If the conspiracy is true then it's likely the players of the stable wouldn't even know about it. Tbh Pads hasn't really addressed a few other topics that involve controversy. He claimed he would give a reply but that was months ago.
Hopefully he can put this issue to bed by answering the simple question.

Keep the faith

Thanks for chiming in.

What is the process for in depth hand history analysis? Obviously they do a lot of work on the population tendencies and how to counter them. Where does the sample for the population come from?

Does some database analysis get access to all of the stables hand histories? Or just the deep runs? How many of these guys are there? Do the analysts speak with the horses directly or do the owners/coaches get the info and give you advice based on that?

Or do all of the population tendency assumptions come from the direct observation from the stable owners (who by the way play very low volume) and the coaches themselves?

yes

I am not going to talk about the coaching process since every coach has his own approach. The sample for population comes from our (players) experience playing tournaments every month and sharing our experiences on coachings "I think this player type does this, I dont think he calls this hand preflop vs all in etc".

I don't understand your question fully so I am not sure if I can answer it properly. There was not a rule that is "At time frame X you have to send us / person Y your hand histories played because of reason Z and if you don't bad things will happen or you will be treated worse or w/e". So I think the answer to your questions is No. At least that is my experience. Maybe they have known that I will not mind to speak about things and did not assign me this analyst person to put me on another level. I guess we will never know

I think I have actually been one of the guys in the company that was giving the highest amount of negative feedback and sometimes said things I should not have said (since as a poker player your ability to handle business relations is probably not strong as your poker game ) and I did not feel like it hurt our relations from both business and personal standpoint. Guys are very professional and take every constructive feedback because in the end we all want to achieve the same thing

all of the pop tendency assumptions don't come from direct observations of owners and coaches since they usually play different (higher) stakes than (majority of) guys that are being coached but it does not mean that their logic is flawed. We all chip in that we think this player type in this situation does X or thinks Y because of Z and since they have the most experience out of all of us usually their opinion has the highest relevancy which makes sense if you think about it.

Since this is thread about Party and not about BitB I think it would make sense for me to peace out and not derail this thread even more. gl on the tables!

I'm pretty sure if we put it to a vote the "yeah that's kinda ****ed up" side would win.

Happy to see a new thread and poll created for what is a pretty NVG-worthy discussion.

Yes. In reality we probably should since we bring a lot of traffic to sites. You can see other sites that have died because we don't allow our players to play their because of the ecology of the games, but even though I work in business development side of bitB its something we have never made $0.01 off.

I am 100% genuine lol. I myself don't find it crazy that somebody wants to just help the poker industry. I've been around in it for 10 years now, worked for poker magazines, worked for the biggest affiliates, played hu, played sngs, played cash games, played mtts, been involved in staking, been involved in coaching, played $2 tournaments, played $15 live tournaments, played $100,000 live tournaments, played $25,000 online tournaments. I am a poker fanboy as much as all of you guys, I used to twitch poker before anybody, twitch actually made it illegal to stream twitch and my weekly strategy show with decently large audience was wiped out one day, used to do poker life podcasts ages ago with Timex, NSB etc.

I'm simply a poker fanboy who loves poker, is a huge geek regarding poker and want poker to be going in the right direction. I feel like its very sad the poker community cant accept that somebody would act genuine. Be skeptical just, its good to be skeptical of course, I guess it is an "unfortunate coincidence".

Thx for putting that issue to bed.

Mods can probably confirm, I mean its even ridiculous I have to get this verified lol. I log in to 2p2 exclusively from PC and Laptop and not from phone. I was staying in Aria and internet was down for a couple of days during summer. I've posted regularly every time something bad has happened with partypoker. I've been happy being the punchbag, happy taking the criticism, explained whats happened here, mtt community, twitter, Facebook, private messages, Skype etc. I'm not running away when things go down or break, maybe if I'm on the other side of the world I can't log in for a couple of days when internet is down, why would I lie about that?! Crazy this is even discussed on the internet, surely we have better things to do?!

Party could pay me 500% rake back for every bitB player and show them the river card in 3bet pots and I still would have no interest dealing with your daily trolling.

Lets just deal in facts since I came in and started helping at party.

- 90k in guarantees/day
- 300k on Sundays
- 2M powerfest

Now:

- $10-11m / week
- $1.5m in satellites alone
- $40m powerfest

There has been many, many, many big changes over the last two years and there continues to be. I promised a big change at the end of this month, early next month. IMO its the biggest individual change (positive at least ) any site has made in the last 5 year including party. It will help you, micro stakes player, medium stakes players, high stakes players and even myself. It is a change for the people by the people. I said it a few days ago and said it will come in the next month (will likely be announced way earlier) and you compare it 3 days later to "reminds me of post supernova changes by Pokerstars when Negreanu promised big changes for all casual players and we got .10 extra"

Why the hell would it remind you of something like this? Firstly we aren't replacing something bad and trying to make up for it, we're adding to already big recent changes

- $1.5m+/week in additional satellites
- Huge guarantee increased at every stake

Again, I need to repeat this as its VERY important. I insisted that whenever there is a change its changed at 5 stake levels.

I.E We add a new amazing $1050 tournament, when we do that we have a /5 rule in almost all the circumstances where the same tournament runs at either 5 or 3 different buy ins to cover ALL players.

$1050
$215
$55
$11
$2.20

Every single player on the site can play one of these tournaments, every single buy in range gets an amazing guarantee and we let micro stakes players compete at the bigger games if thats what they want. Every day there is hundreds (I want to say thousands but not 100% sure) free tickets given to players to reactive them to the site.

I fight very hard for non bitB players way more than bitB. I removed the inactivity fee on players accounts the site had, removed the fee on withdrawals there was.

About the hand histories and helping the security team. It had nothing to do with MTT's, it was cash game player and it was his stats and not his hands. Limitless like I said can verify everything. Of course its impossible for me to see any players hand history.

There is no change that only benefits bitB players and bitB players play on all sites, stars, 888, winamax, acr, micro gaming, sky etc etc. They are free to do as they wish.

Again to conclude and hopefully my last post in this thread, but I get this (ir)rational urge to always defend, ALL sites have players who stake others who consult with the site on player panels etc. Massari has the biggest Brazilian poker school, Akkari has huge Brazilian poker school, if you listened to Dominik Nitsche the guy consulting mostly at 888 and with the biggest influence he speaks all the time on the show about how much staking he is doing. Winamax have Sylvain/Davide as the top pros on the site who stake most of the top high stakes French players. It's very very common, the sites ask our opinions and consult with us to help them get to the place they want to get to ASAP.

Please try and tell me the 5 negative connotations it could have and then try and think about all of the positives. When there is a software update I've been able to give it to bitB players to play a week before, give lots of feedback and then change all the bugs ready for the time its released to everybody else.

1- We could be getting affiliate money (I don't even think this is bad!!) but nope don't do this
2- Our players could be super using/ cheating (heard this itt) nope of course not
3- Our players could have advantageous treatment like being able to change screen name more etc (nope, no player will ever tell you something like this has ever happened)
4- We could make tournaments just for our players (like I said we have the rule that every tournament has a micro, low, medium, high, hr, version)
5- We could run leaderboards/promos for our players (if any player tells you they won a leaderboard since the $3m promo comes in from bitB please tell me, because as far as I know nobody has even come remotelyyyyyyyyy close)

hi pads, i would like to thank you for all the work you did so far i see you improve mtts a lot on party, but i think there should be someone who can help cash games too, it is long time since party made cash games with anonomized hand history, but what really happened is regs using some software for getting normal hands again, bots are more safe to cheat on party poker and cash game players from other sites afraid to move to party because they dont feel safe and nobody can blame them

can you look in this problem and try to make cash games fair? this decision of making hand history anonimized hurt everybody, fish, regs and also party poker, its time to revert this decision

Just want to say 2 words here.

I made an account on Party some months ago. Party banned it for no reason at all and freezed my funds.
«*The reason*» was that my «*documents failed their security measures*». Worth mentioning that on Stars, 888+ a lot of other sites all these documents were accepted in the 1st time.

I got pads contact on Skype and he helped me to resolve it very quickly, which without him the issue would have probably lasted for months.

Worth mentioning, I am not in his stable. I play only cash (prob like 20 MTTs on the side per month).

So for him, there is 0 personal benefit in helping me, but he still did it and I appreciate it till today. So what he is saying here that he wants to help the community, etc is not doubtful at all.

#this

+ one gazillion

This. And it's hillarious these days when the client is updated the ff games dies for few days. Suddenly most of the eastern european regs decides to take a few days off.

Allso one minor thing you could do is tweak the cashback system a little bit. Atm you are playing with 0% between steps if you don't hit the next step when the week ends. If you really are for the people out there make it that the points (you couldn't convert) will carry on for the next weeks cashback.

Hey, this is pretty much bang on the point for me. I believe that every site should allow basic pokertracker and holdem manager HUDs, I've gone into it a lot before on forums, twitter etc, and I have done internally too many times. The site disagrees with me, thats fine. I do the job of giving my advice, they decide whether to take it or not.

I don't have much interaction with cash team, most of it is being done with Trickett with the high stakes games, twitch community etc trying to bring people on to the site. I know theres some promos around that and similar stuff coming soon. In regard to the small details, we have a channel created 2-3 weeks ago where if theres anything that comes up that should be fixed from experience of playing the internal team aim to fix them. John Duthie is actually the most active guy here putting a lot of time playing daily to work out the player experience. I personally don't play and don't get to see all of the small things day to day, ideally it would go through cash game players who are ambassadors for the site and know the games and the ecology way better than I. If I would be advising to change x/y except for HUDs I would mostly be just chatting bollocks and making rather uneducated guesses. I think a panel of 5-6 cash players from around 100nl-1000nl who are playing every day and want to make difference for the good could be the best way to do this and for me to feed back their opinions and make sure its at least heard. There's actually 25 people in the 500fastforward pool now and 100 at 100fastforward, last time I looked 500 didnt ever run, I was trying to donate a few times, so at least that is good news. But yeah, I'll hit you up on skype next week and try and accelerate the speed of improvement

Thanks man.

anonimous hands history is problem number 1 right now at party

promotions party did for cash games are definitely very generous so thumbs up for it, but it will not get people move from stars to party if they will afraid they will play in unfair games

fast forward 500 run more often and it would run probably 16 hours a day if party fix it a bit with making it 3h 4h 5h 6h depending on player pool, like today there were 14 entries so i join 2 entries hoping to get action for two tables but i got action only for one table 5 handed, no clue how it is possible, there are people who would like to play fast forward but action is way too slow untill there are like 35+ entries so its not worth it compared to regular tables

and can confirm john duthie play often , thumbs up again

you and few other people make party poker good choice over stars but i think there need to be big improvement in security team and team who making software changes as they are extremely slow compared to stars, i see there is progress and i like pretty much every change in software that party made but it take so much time i wonder how many people working on it, you can try hard to make everything perfect if guy who have to make it happen just sitting and hope you do all work, maybe iam wrong and they are all working hard but its just hard to believe when you are used how fast stars making changes in software and how good security they have

thank you for trying to help, just hope party poker would listen you and players a little more for cash games

Agree 100% !

Thank you for your reply. I'd like to see pads respond this question too if possible? I'm basically asking whether they are using hand histories from their own players to come to conclusions on population tendencies (or any combined data analysis whatsoever)? There are two possible answers to this question and if the answer isn't an absolutely clear no, then they are most certainly doing things against the terms of service and are outright cheating for their own benefit, even if the horses themselves don't realise. Obviously this doesn't only apply to party poker hand histories.

Patrick, do you and your analysts have a database of your horses hands which you or they use to formulate counter strategies from? If so, to what extent is this shared amongst the stable? If not, what do the analysts do with all of the hand histories, if they get any at all?

This question is of the upmost importance and I'm sure most would agree that a failure to respond in full would be extremely damning.


Thanks in advance for any responses to this.

play everyday 500/500ff - 1knl and +1 to magorko post, get rid of the anon hh's

so many ****ing bots. eastern euro's and russians

also is weird however the algo runs the FF pool when its a bit of a small pool, we just end up playing 3handed a bunch at 500 and it seems to take forever.


the RB system is solid and the software is bearable i guess, so theres some positives.

thx for your efforts pads.

Thanks for the reply Pads.

This.

I used to play a lot on party, but after the hhs were changed anon i basically just bumhunt the highstakes and have no interest in taking close spots/battles at party because of the anon HHs and new regs constantly popping up every other day.

Also don't think that making the lobbies anon was a great idea. It just creates an environment where tables pop up, every bumhunter sits out after they realize there is no fish, and the guys starting the game get grimmed 100%. Overall don't think it drives any more action, it just makes it more annoying to find games with fish, which will make some regs quit the site because they cba deal with it. Unless the goal was to kill highstakes..

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