downswing over.

i remember reading people say before that the HSP games are actually more profitable if you can take the swings and have the bankroll since there are the occasional big fish.

it doesn't look that way any longer. sharks are playing sharks.

howard lederer is the fish

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 25384
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luckexpress10 (SB): $12153.60
Patrik Antonius (BB): $103494.00
John Juanda (UTG): $31997.00
David Oppenheim (UTG+1): $67120.55
Gus Hansen (UTG+2): $57156.00
tsarrast (MP1): $39735.00
OnTheRize (MP2): $27500.00
durrrr (CO): $126028.35
trex313 (BTN): $72979.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
5 folds, durrrr raises to $3000, 2 folds, Patrik Antonius raises to $9500, durrrr calls $6500

Flop: ($19500.00) 9 K Q (2 players)
Patrik Antonius bets $13000, durrrr raises to $38400, Patrik Antonius requests TIME, Patrik Antonius raises to $93994 all in, durrrr calls $55594

Turn: ($207488.00) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($207488.00) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $207488.00
Patrik Antonius shows A A (a full house, Kings full of Aces)
durrrr shows J 8 (three of a kind, Kings)
Patrik Antonius wins $207485.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 7 players - View hand 25385
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durrrr (MP): $84988.00
luckexpress10 (CO): $20000.00
Gus Hansen (BTN): $47679.00
tsarrast (SB): $124967.00
OnTheRize (BB): $40150.00
trex313 (UTG): $61159.50
Patrik Antonius (UTG+1): $69053.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
2 folds, durrrr calls $1000, luckexpress10 calls $1000, 1 fold, tsarrast calls $500, OnTheRize checks

Flop: ($4000.00) 7 Q 9 (4 players)
tsarrast checks, OnTheRize checks, durrrr bets $2400, luckexpress10 calls $2400, tsarrast raises to $10500, OnTheRize folds, durrrr calls $8100, luckexpress10 folds

Turn: ($27400.00) 3 (2 players)
tsarrast bets $27400, durrrr raises to $73488 all in, tsarrast calls $46088

River: ($174376.00) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $174376.00
durrrr shows T Q Q 2 (three of a kind, Queens)
tsarrast shows 7 6 5 7 (three of a kind, Sevens)
durrrr wins $174373.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 8 players - View hand 25387
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Patrik Antonius (BB): $215926.00
John Juanda (UTG): $20000.00
David Oppenheim (UTG+1): $49620.55
Gus Hansen (MP1): $60541.00
tsarrast (MP2): $62266.35
OnTheRize (CO): $21119.00
durrrr (BTN): $76690.60
trex313 (SB): $71979.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
1 fold, David Oppenheim raises to $3000, Gus Hansen raises to $5000, 2 folds, durrrr calls $5000, 2 folds, David Oppenheim calls $2000

Flop: ($16500.00) T A J (3 players)
David Oppenheim checks, Gus Hansen bets $9000, durrrr calls $9000, David Oppenheim raises to $44620.55 all in, Gus Hansen requests TIME, Gus Hansen raises to $55541 all in, durrrr folds

Turn: ($114741.10) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($114741.10) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $114741.10
David Oppenheim shows K 2 Q 9 (a straight, Ace high)
Gus Hansen shows Q Q K 6 (a flush, Ace high)
Gus Hansen wins $114738.10
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 7 players - View hand 25388
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durrrr (BB): $334305.00
John Juanda (UTG): $17500.00
Gus Hansen (UTG+1): $51921.50
tsarrast (MP): $36727.50
OnTheRize (CO): $38703.00
trex313 (BTN): $61156.50
Patrik Antonius (SB): $102997.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
1 fold, Gus Hansen raises to $3000, tsarrast calls $3000, 2 folds, Patrik Antonius calls $2500, durrrr calls $2000

Flop: ($12000.00) 4 K 2 (4 players)
Patrik Antonius checks, durrrr checks, Gus Hansen bets $12000, tsarrast folds, Patrik Antonius folds, durrrr raises to $48000, Gus Hansen raises to $48921.50 all in, durrrr calls $921.50

Turn: ($109843.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($109843.00) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $109843.00
durrrr shows 4 4 5 K (a straight, Six high)
Gus Hansen shows 7 7 A A (a pair of Aces)
durrrr wins $109840.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - View hand 25391
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durrrr (CO): $55636.00
trex313 (BTN): $94478.00
Patrik Antonius (SB): $93187.00
Gus Hansen (BB): $57874.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
durrrr raises to $3000, 2 folds, Gus Hansen calls $2000

Flop: ($6500.00) K 8 J (2 players)
Gus Hansen bets $5000, durrrr calls $5000

Turn: ($16500.00) 7 (2 players)
Gus Hansen bets $15000, durrrr raises to $47636 all in, Gus Hansen calls $32636

River: ($111772.00) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $111772.00
durrrr shows A T K 9 (a straight, Jack high)
Gus Hansen shows 9 7 2 T (a straight, Jack high)
Gus Hansen wins $55885.00
durrrr wins $55885.00
(Rake: $2.00)

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=5988144
pokenum -o 4s 4d 5s ks - 7c 7d ac ad -- kc 4c 2d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Kc 4c 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks 5s 4s 4d 463 56.46 357 43.54 0 0.00 0.565
Ac 7c Ad 7d 357 43.54 463 56.46 0 0.00 0.435

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 8 players - View hand 25394
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rafiboy (UTG+1): $26997.00
Patrik Antonius (MP1): $204979.00
John Juanda (MP2): $79485.00
Gus Hansen (CO): $142648.55
tsarrast (BTN): $136379.35
OnTheRize (SB): $15000.00
durrrr (BB): $41386.00
trex313 (UTG): $85476.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
1 fold, rafiboy raises to $3000, Patrik Antonius calls $3000, 1 fold, Gus Hansen calls $3000, tsarrast raises to $16500, OnTheRize calls $14500 all in, 1 fold, rafiboy calls $13500, Patrik Antonius calls $13500, Gus Hansen calls $13500

Flop: ($82000.00) 2 J 4 (5 players - 1 is all in)
rafiboy bets $10497 all in, Patrik Antonius folds, Gus Hansen requests TIME, Gus Hansen raises to $113491, tsarrast raises to $119879.35 all in, Gus Hansen calls $6388.35

Turn: ($332255.70) 9 (4 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($332255.70) 7 (4 players - 3 are all in)

Final Pot: $332255.70
rafiboy shows 4 6 J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
Gus Hansen shows 6 2 K 4 (two pair, Fours and Twos)
tsarrast shows A A T T (a pair of Aces)
OnTheRize shows Q 8 6 9 (a pair of Nines)
rafiboy wins $75997.00
(Rake: $256258.70)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 8 players - View hand 25398
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rafiboy (UTG): $113488.00
Patrik Antonius (UTG+1): $188479.00
John Juanda (MP1): $79485.00
Gus Hansen (MP2): $225033.90
tsarrast (CO): $20000.00
OnTheRize (BTN): $20000.00
durrrr (SB): $40386.00
trex313 (BB): $85476.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
3 folds, Gus Hansen raises to $3500, 2 folds, durrrr calls $3000, 1 fold

Flop: ($8000.00) 2 A 9 (2 players)
durrrr checks, Gus Hansen bets $8000, durrrr calls $8000

Turn: ($24000.00) 5 (2 players)
durrrr bets $24000, Gus Hansen raises to $48000, durrrr calls $4886 all in

River: ($81772.00) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $81772.00
Gus Hansen shows Q 9 J A (two pair, Aces and Nines)
durrrr shows 7 Q 6 A (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
Gus Hansen wins $81769.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 8 players - View hand 25399
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durrrr (UTG): $397420.50
John Juanda (UTG+1): $34500.00
Gus Hansen (MP1): $6500.00
tsarrast (MP2): $70715.50
OnTheRize (CO): $52700.00
trex313 (BTN): $25953.50
Patrik Antonius (SB): $94497.00
SirGAMBLE11 (BB): $20997.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
2 folds, Gus Hansen raises to $3500, 1 fold, OnTheRize calls $3500, 1 fold, Patrik Antonius raises to $15000, 1 fold, Gus Hansen calls $3000 all in, OnTheRize requests TIME, OnTheRize calls $11500

Flop: ($37500.00) 2 8 4 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Patrik Antonius bets $37500, OnTheRize requests TIME, OnTheRize raises to $37700 all in, Patrik Antonius calls $200

Turn: ($112900.00) 3 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($112900.00) 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $112900.00
Gus Hansen shows 5 A A 4 (a flush, Ace high)
OnTheRize shows J 3 T T (a flush, Jack high)
Patrik Antonius shows K 5 K T (two pair, Kings and Eights)
OnTheRize wins $92400.00
Gus Hansen wins $20497.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 25401
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durrrr (BTN): $75488.00
trex313 (SB): $58351.00
Patrik Antonius (BB): $267780.00
luckexpress10 (UTG): $40000.00
Gus Hansen (CO): $59494.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
luckexpress10 raises to $3000, 2 folds, trex313 calls $2500, 1 fold

Flop: ($7000.00) 4 9 J (2 players)
trex313 checks, luckexpress10 bets $5000, trex313 raises to $22000, luckexpress10 raises to $37000 all in, trex313 calls $15000

Turn: ($81000.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($81000.00) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $81000.00
trex313 shows J Q A 4 (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
luckexpress10 shows 9 8 J K (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
luckexpress10 wins $80997.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 8 players - View hand 25402
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rafiboy (UTG+1): $91485.00
Patrik Antonius (MP1): $169673.00
John Juanda (MP2): $82482.00
luckexpress10 (CO): $20000.00
tsarrast (BTN): $85991.00
OnTheRize (SB): $81991.00
durrrr (BB): $168988.00
trex313 (UTG): $85270.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
2 folds, Patrik Antonius raises to $3500, 1 fold, luckexpress10 calls $3500, 1 fold, OnTheRize calls $3000, durrrr calls $2500

Flop: ($14000.00) 9 T 4 (4 players)
OnTheRize checks, durrrr checks, Patrik Antonius bets $8000, luckexpress10 folds, OnTheRize raises to $38000, durrrr folds, Patrik Antonius raises to $128000, OnTheRize calls $40491 all in

Turn: ($170982.00) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($170982.00) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $170982.00
Patrik Antonius shows 9 9 7 J (three of a kind, Nines)
OnTheRize shows Q 9 T K (a straight, King high)
OnTheRize wins $170979.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 25406
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durrrr (SB): $76985.00
trex313 (BB): $38351.00
Patrik Antonius (UTG): $275277.00
luckexpress10 (CO): $71497.00
Gus Hansen (BTN): $58991.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
Patrik Antonius calls $1000, luckexpress10 calls $1000, Gus Hansen calls $1000, durrrr raises to $6000, 1 fold, Patrik Antonius calls $5000, luckexpress10 calls $5000, Gus Hansen calls $5000

Flop: ($25000.00) J 2 8 (4 players)
durrrr checks, Patrik Antonius checks, luckexpress10 checks, Gus Hansen bets $25000, durrrr raises to $70985 all in, Patrik Antonius folds, luckexpress10 folds, Gus Hansen calls $27991 all in

Turn: ($130982.00) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($130982.00) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $130982.00
durrrr shows 4 T K K (three of a kind, Kings)
Gus Hansen shows J Q J 5 (a flush, Ace high)
Gus Hansen wins $130979.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 25407
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durrrr (BB): $67370.00
trex313 (UTG): $53854.00
Patrik Antonius (CO): $179919.00
luckexpress10 (BTN): $40000.00
Gus Hansen (SB): $79997.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
1 fold, Patrik Antonius raises to $3500, luckexpress10 calls $3500, 1 fold, durrrr raises to $14500, Patrik Antonius calls $11000, 1 fold

Flop: ($33000.00) 9 J Q (2 players)
durrrr bets $13400, Patrik Antonius raises to $73200, durrrr calls $39470 all in

Turn: ($138740.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($138740.00) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $138740.00
durrrr shows 2 Q Q A (three of a kind, Queens)
Patrik Antonius shows T 2 8 J (a straight, Queen high)
Patrik Antonius wins $138737.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 25408
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rafiboy (UTG): $88485.00
Patrik Antonius (UTG+1): $81182.00
John Juanda (MP1): $104976.00
luckexpress10 (MP2): $20000.00
tsarrast (CO): $88488.00
OnTheRize (BTN): $160979.00
durrrr (SB): $155485.00
trex313 (BB): $106264.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
1 fold, Patrik Antonius raises to $3500, 3 folds, OnTheRize calls $3500, 1 fold, trex313 calls $2500

Flop: ($11000.00) 6 6 J (3 players)
trex313 checks, Patrik Antonius bets $8000, OnTheRize calls $8000, trex313 folds

Turn: ($27000.00) 4 (2 players)
Patrik Antonius checks, OnTheRize bets $16000, Patrik Antonius raises to $69682 all in, OnTheRize requests TIME, OnTheRize calls $53682

River: ($166364.00) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $166364.00
Patrik Antonius shows 7 5 (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
OnTheRize shows J A (a full house, Jacks full of Sixes)
OnTheRize wins $166361.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 8 players - View hand 25411
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rafiboy (UTG+1): $88485.00
Patrik Antonius (MP1): $98500.00
John Juanda (MP2): $103476.00
luckexpress10 (CO): $20000.00
tsarrast (BTN): $89988.00
OnTheRize (SB): $244658.00
durrrr (BB): $158482.00
trex313 (UTG): $102264.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
4 folds, luckexpress10 raises to $3000, tsarrast raises to $9000, OnTheRize calls $8500, 1 fold, luckexpress10 calls $6000

Flop: ($28000.00) A 5 7 (3 players)
OnTheRize checks, luckexpress10 checks, tsarrast bets $23500, OnTheRize raises to $98500, luckexpress10 folds, tsarrast calls $57488 all in

Turn: ($189976.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($189976.00) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $189976.00
tsarrast shows J 5 6 J (a pair of Jacks)
OnTheRize shows 8 K A 8 (two pair, Aces and Kings)
OnTheRize wins $189973.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 7 players - View hand 25412
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durrrr (CO): $347160.00
John Juanda (BTN): $118730.50
Gus Hansen (SB): $113276.00
tsarrast (BB): $93006.50
OnTheRize (UTG): $88582.00
trex313 (UTG+1): $30453.50
Patrik Antonius (MP): $107991.00
SirGAMBLE11 (): $43991.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
OnTheRize raises to $3000, 3 folds, John Juanda calls $3000, Gus Hansen calls $2500, 1 fold

Flop: ($10000.00) 2 8 T (3 players)
Gus Hansen checks, OnTheRize checks, John Juanda bets $8800, Gus Hansen folds, OnTheRize calls $8800

Turn: ($27600.00) Q (2 players)
OnTheRize checks, John Juanda bets $27600, OnTheRize raises to $76782 all in, John Juanda calls $49182

River: ($181164.00) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $181164.00
John Juanda shows J J K 9 (a straight, Queen high)
OnTheRize shows 6 J A A (two pair, Aces and Eights)
John Juanda wins $181161.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Gus is pwning durrrr at the moment on both hansen knockout/hangout.

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 25417
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durrrr (SB): $57494.00
trex313 (BB): $40994.00
Patrik Antonius (UTG): $322901.00
luckexpress10 (CO): $79064.00
Gus Hansen (BTN): $145564.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
Patrik Antonius raises to $2000, luckexpress10 calls $2000, Gus Hansen raises to $3000, 2 folds, Patrik Antonius calls $1000, luckexpress10 raises to $13500, Gus Hansen calls $10500, Patrik Antonius calls $10500

Flop: ($42000.00) Q 2 9 (3 players)
Patrik Antonius checks, luckexpress10 checks, Gus Hansen requests TIME, Gus Hansen checks

Turn: ($42000.00) 5 (3 players)
Patrik Antonius checks, luckexpress10 checks, Gus Hansen requests TIME, Gus Hansen bets $32000, Patrik Antonius folds, luckexpress10 requests TIME, luckexpress10 calls $32000

River: ($106000.00) 6 (2 players)
luckexpress10 bets $33564 all in, Gus Hansen calls $33564

Final Pot: $173128.00
luckexpress10 shows 6 T 8 7 (a straight, Nine high)
luckexpress10 wins $173125.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 7 players - View hand 25429
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rafiboy (UTG+1): $74232.00
John Juanda (MP): $135070.00
luckexpress10 (CO): $35488.00
Gus Hansen (BTN): $48997.00
OnTheRize (SB): $305340.00
durrrr (BB): $202920.00
trex313 (UTG): $98561.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
3 folds, luckexpress10 raises to $3000, 1 fold, OnTheRize raises to $10000, durrrr calls $9000, luckexpress10 raises to $35488 all in, OnTheRize raises to $116464, 1 fold

Flop: ($80976.00) 5 8 8

Turn: ($80976.00) 3

River: ($80976.00) 9

Final Pot: $80976.00
luckexpress10 shows 4 K J K (two pair, Kings and Eights)
OnTheRize shows A 3 A 9 (two pair, Aces and Eights)
OnTheRize wins $80973.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - View hand 25430
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trex313 (BTN): $47494.00
howisitfeellike (SB): $143994.00
luckexpress10 (BB): $153622.00
Gus Hansen (CO): $101482.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
Gus Hansen raises to $3500, trex313 calls $3500, 1 fold, luckexpress10 calls $2500

Flop: ($11000.00) 2 2 J (3 players)
luckexpress10 checks, Gus Hansen bets $11000, trex313 folds, luckexpress10 calls $11000

Turn: ($33000.00) J (2 players)
luckexpress10 checks, Gus Hansen checks

River: ($33000.00) K (2 players)
luckexpress10 checks, Gus Hansen bets $33000, luckexpress10 calls $33000

Final Pot: $99000.00
Gus Hansen shows 7 K 5 K (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
Gus Hansen wins $98998.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 25431
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durrrr (BB): $49000.00
trex313 (UTG): $48994.00
howisitfeellike (CO): $83497.00
luckexpress10 (BTN): $164122.00
Gus Hansen (SB): $100982.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
1 fold, howisitfeellike raises to $2500, luckexpress10 calls $2500, 1 fold, durrrr raises to $10500, howisitfeellike calls $8000, luckexpress10 calls $8000

Flop: ($32000.00) A 8 3 (3 players)
durrrr bets $32000, howisitfeellike raises to $72997 all in, luckexpress10 folds, durrrr calls $6500 all in

Turn: ($109000.00) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($109000.00) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $109000.00
durrrr shows T 8 5 7 (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
howisitfeellike shows 9 Q K 8 (two pair, Kings and Eights)
howisitfeellike wins $108997.00
(Rake: $3.00)

wow full tilt is really sticking it to these guys.