https://gyazo.com/4a292b26ad33ae6a0752e65d5a4e1362 heres shaun deep and other guy about to give up their phones notice him playing and looking down wondering how the hell hes going to get away with this

https://gyazo.com/c2519a96d003afa7a06ef845194c4052 heres the floor manager with his collection of players phones (I only count like 4 or 5) staring at eelis whos clearly looking down at his phone on his lap playing in the same frame lmao. Interesting that the floor manager seems to be going through someones phone is that normal? lmao.

So ya he broke a rule just not the one you think move along now it took me like 15 minutes to figure this out great investigation work there kiwistar gtfo. Hustler needs to hire me

Regardless, he cheated.

But simply watch the video in full, and it's obvious he couldn't have been playing the wcoop event. More than likely he was on his phone on occasion, watching the event. Watch the stream in full, and you'll see for 2-3min at a time, he does not look down at a phone, or move his army away from the rail - Whilst playing without using timebank or sitting out of the Wcoop event.

You need to have watched the wcoop event, too understand he simply could not have been playing on his phone, as he always acts immediately, which simply isn't possible if he was playing both events at the same time. When action is on him at the wsopE he has his full concentration on the live event, and it's impossible for him to act immediately, or not sit out even once.

is this "cheating" per se? I don't really see much wrong with playing live & online at the same time. If it's against WSOPE rules then sure he broke the rules, but I wouldn't call it cheating in that he def didn't have an unfair advantage over anyone else while breaking said rules.

Pointless accusations. Eelis is clearly a well reputable guy, if he did indeed have someone play on his account, stars could easily see it through his device and ip. Until he is proven guilty i think some of you should drop your attitude. Don't see a reason why he would take such a risk in the first place.

Absurd how some of you call it cheating as well..

I have looked at quite a bit of the live video and he is constantly looking down at his lap with his hand under the table. As the accuser its up to you to convince me not the other way around. goodluck. Like for example you need to confirm the delay and put a side by side view of both games. Put some kind of a timeline not go lolz look hes cheating believe me.
Try asking shaun deeb on twitter or something for example he literally has the angle to see if hes playing on a phone

its not cheating to cheat you have to cheat someone. also there is no evidence provided by the op. If I can play 18 6 max tables he can play a live 8bb donkament and a phone poker game

also the average stack in the plo donkament is only like 14 bb. do you know how easy that would be? I didn't watch the scoop but im sure it was all brain dead plays. guys literally playing with like 8 bigs on two tables according to the screen shot you provided since 14 plo bigs is like 6 holdem bigs

as for saying hes concentrating and cant possibly be playing on his phone at the same time I already provided counter evidence. @2:56:36 he open aj off hes getting 3 bet at the same time hes looking at his lap with his hand below the table. I literally provided video evidence of him multitasking two hands at once. As he folds his hand he instantly looks down at his lap again. you have clearly never played two only poker tables at once in your life

Im sure there are spots where he is not looking down at his lap but again you have to supply a timeline to prove the wcoop was ongoing at this point he could also have simply been on a 5 minute break or the tournament was over.

You need to bring evidence to drag a persons name through the mud. Your the guy accusing someone im just a random guy on the internet picking your story apart with little effort. I could be completely wrong I dont have a horse in the race I only put like 25 minutes into this now but as the accuser you have to prove I am.

You can't play WCOOP from Czech Republic no?
Not a single czech flag in any of the mains, not saying he let somebody play on his account, just talking about regulations part

I would look into his normal mannerism does he always have 1 hand under the table when he plays? does he lower his head and look down alot? I watched a bit more and there are more parts where he does not look like hes playing on a phone its possible I just got lucky and watched the parts where he is. He visits his rail quite often he could be trading his phone back and forth. But without a time frame of when the wcoop was ongoing all of these are useless. Its also possible later on in the stream he started fake looking at his phone. most of the looking down and hand under table happens later in the stream so a timeframe is needed. Im pretty sure at some points hes definitely playing on his phone tho. I also thought I saw his phone in hand when he went back and forth from the rail once but it was too hard to be certain

If the wcoop was during only 2 hours during this wsop event I would say he probably played it all. If it ran the entire 6 hours of it I think you might have a case

can you tell us how long you were on your phone playing the wcoop for? about when did it end and start. Just get the guy sitting to your right to vouche for you I thought I saw him see it

Pokerstars security would be able to tell end of thread

The guy who was supposed to take all electronic devises off of players should be fired and sent to an eye doctor if he really couldnt spot a guy on a televised final table playing a full online tourney all day long, lol. That is the real joke here, if you believe his story in the fist place.

he wont I acually saw him going through a players phone too unless he had his own phone in his right hand and 4 other phones in his left hand. is that a normal thing to do? go through players phones?

Probably not normal, but the point is: if they were not allowed to use phones during the live event, he mustve made some kind of deal with them given the special situation he was in, because if he actually played a full PLO tourney on it, it wouldve been way too obvious to try and do it secretly when hes sitting at a live table with cameras everywhere.
I dont know whos wrong or lying here, the only thing I dont believe for a second is that he secretly used a phone on that final table for hours without problem. You can even see it on the stream real easily what he was doing. Either one of the other players wouldve called him out on it or the dealer wouldve said something and made him hand in his phone like everyone else had to.

Don't you need a .cz account to play on Pokerstars from Czech legally? Not sure what the punishment is when you play with a Finnish account in Czech, but it could very well be ban + funds taken. There are plenty of examples of when that happened after people used VPN to play from blocked countries (Gordon Vayo famous example).

If it was up to me a slap on the wrist would be fine for VPN if he actually played himself, if someone else played on his account then ban seems appropriate. Think breaking the WSOPE rule of no phone at the table is the least of his worries probably.

Thats funny. I saw EEE27 sitting out atleast 10-20 times during last 2 tables - sometimes even longer periods of time

Looking at the live stream and trying to sync it up with real-world-time and when the end-stages of the online FT was it does not make sense to me that Eelis was playing on his online account. I can't make the timelines fit at all. I don't see him looking at a phone when he should have been during the time that I think the online FT was. I may be completely wrong and I have no ill will towards him and I've read nothing nefarious about him in the past so I'm just going to trust that pokerstars is on it and has figured it out better than I have and that I've been on a wild goose hunt.

2p2 really needs to get a grip on mob mentality/witch hunt posters imo.

guys like Kiwistar throwing around groundless accusations without providing anything of worth really are the nut low on this site.

also, Eelis is both intelligent and a standup dude etc etc so a bit silly to assume he's risking his stars account for less than 6 figures.

probably even got the ok from tourney direction to play on his phone.

maybe contact both the tourney in question and stars?

Nah, I have no financial foot in this. If players in the tourneys think there's a risk they got bamboozled I'm sure they'll inquire about it. I'm mostly just confused because what I see doesn't make sense to me, but that's not an entirely rare occurence

yeah was more a general statement, not directed at you specifically (as in, if anybody has a beef with Eelis regarding this, why not just contact stars/tourney direction?)

Because it is a legit question regarding a relatively well known player. There's nothing wrong with having a thread in NVG about it. Because there's zero proof of cheating we removed that suggestion from the thread title.

I’ve been made aware of this threat. As I’m currently at Kings myself I would like to add my perspective to hopefully clear up things a little bit. I’ve been railing the 25k NL at times and can say that I definitely saw Eelis playing on his phone at some stage. I’ve talked to him today and can declare that his account is under investigation, so at this stage it’s probably best for every one to chill out with further speculations and/or accusations and let Stars handle the situation.

I know Eelis as no less than a honorable and honest member of the high stakes community and would be highly surprised if he would put his reputation on line for a “lousy” 30k equity spot.

Jonas Kronwitter

I know my opinion is useless overall…but it wouldn’t even bother me if EE got someone else to play the account and I was also at the online FT. That type of **** happens ALL the time. And he has an legitimate reason for it. I understand it’s still against the rules

this seems accurate seeing you're saying that people playing on other people's accounts is fine because everyone does it and it's fine in this specific instance because the guy in question has a "legitimate" reason, i.e. if you're too incompetent at planning to handle a schedule properly, anything goes. child please.

without looking into greater detail, as life is too short to look back at random stars donkaments, or to watch any boring live nlhe ever, eelis is almost certainly not cheating anyone at the live table. he may well be breaching the technical rules of the tournament re: usage of phones, but he's not cheating anyone. there may be some reasons why he might have been unable to play on stars in this specific jurisdiction at this time given what some people upthread have said, but that's no different to some random railbird firing up a $1 spin so doesn't seem overly relevant to this situation.