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Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands) Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands)

01-30-2021 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
Before this challenge, how much poker has dnegs actually played?

It seems like he plays the WSOP events and takes most of the year off.

Dnegs has made virtually all his money from branding Dnegs not from playing poker.
Dnegs has played more than Polk. Polk retired from poker like 5 years ago. And Dnegs has been playing poker for a decade before Polk even started. I think Dnegs has won more money playing poker than Polk has too.

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Originally Posted by NJPW
That's not why he played Doug. It's also not why he's studying to get better. Wanting to win doesn't equal a passion for the game. DNegs didn't want to back down from a challenge cause ego and he's a child. So when he loses, he knows it won't harm him at all because "it's Doug's best game and i continued to work hard" and it keeps his name out there in the covid times.
Why did Rocky take the fight versus Apollo Creed? Rocky didn't really believe he would win he just wanted to test himself. Rocky was passionate about boxing in a way Creed wasn't. He had the eye of the tiger.

You say it's ego and cause he's a child but I don't see it that way. Ego maybe. But the one acting like a child is Doug Polk, just watch his interviews. I like Dnegs more after this challenge and I like Doug Polk less after this challenge. I still don't like either of them though.
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01-30-2021 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
0 chance they play a ~3600 hand session Monday
Nope but if Doug gets much over 1,000,000 up he can just fold and average 300 a hand. The more they play the less he would have to be up to just fold to lock it up. Dnegs needs to bite into the lead or it is closing in on him.

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01-30-2021 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by randy.shopher
Nope but if Doug gets much over 1,000,000 up he can just fold and average 300 a hand. The more they play the less he would have to be up to just fold to lock it up. Dnegs needs to bite into the lead or it is closing in on him.

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Like I said before, Doug specifically mentioned wanting to be up a certain amount around this point specifically so he could play his normal game at the end of the challenge and not have to think about anything else.

I could see him folding out right at the very end just to get it over with, but it would surprise me if he folded out with even a few hundred hands to go unless this were to get much closer.
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01-30-2021 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Dnegs has played more than Polk. Polk retired from poker like 5 years ago. And Dnegs has been playing poker for a decade before Polk even started. I think Dnegs has won more money playing poker than Polk has too.
Polk played much more hands for sure, also HU its much more tiring than playing a donkament. People go to a live donkament for fun, but only a true degen multitables HU online for meaningful stakes for fun.

Not only polk played like at least double of Dnegs hands he probably vpiped like twice or 3 times as much per hand.
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01-30-2021 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by fish & chips
but only a true degen multitables HU online for meaningful stakes for fun.
Like Dwan and Isildur playing 10,000+ hand sessions of 500/1000.
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01-31-2021 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
What's the breakdown of results-button vs big blind?
Much more difficult to figure as they can't import hand histories on WSOP I believe. So unfortunately no upwards rollercoaster giraffes from DP.
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01-31-2021 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by simplerick
You say it's ego and cause he's a child but I don't see it that way. Ego maybe. But the one acting like a child is Doug Polk
Both can be acting like children but in the circumstance we're talking about (taking the challenge in the first place), it's because he wants to be a child standing up to the schoolyard bully. And even suggesting it's not motivated by ego is ridiculous. He knew he was a big dog but in his mind he said "i've played a long time and won a lot of money, i'm gonna **** this guy up" but that's not how it works. So his ego and acting like a child cost him a bunch of money.

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Dnegs has played more than Polk. Polk retired from poker like 5 years ago. And Dnegs has been playing poker for a decade before Polk even started. I think Dnegs has won more money playing poker than Polk has too.
Not everyone is the same. It's not something you can just compare and say "well dnegs seemingly has some more poker in him so doug should too". Come on.
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01-31-2021 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Dnegs has played more than Polk. Polk retired from poker like 5 years ago. And Dnegs has been playing poker for a decade before Polk even started. I think Dnegs has won more money playing poker than Polk has too.


Nah Doug has played way more hands and has VPIPd way more money than Dnegs.

Doug is better than dnegs and this challenge proves
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01-31-2021 , 03:14 AM
Let's go WCG|Riderrrrrrrrrrrrr
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01-31-2021 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
Nah Doug has played way more hands and has VPIPd way more money than Dnegs.

Doug is better than dnegs and this challenge proves
+1 and also as Doug and many others say in multiple videos these “ millionaire” tournament pros often don t even have 10% of them in tournaments, so...
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01-31-2021 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Polk retired from poker like 5 years ago.
Polk won the High Roller for One Drop (the biggest tournament score of his career) in June 2017. In addition, he had a couple of six-figure tournament scores in September 2017. That was like 3-1/2 years ago.

After taking a lot of time off, he played the Super High Roller Bowl and the WSOP Main Event in 2018 but did not enjoy playing (and didn't cash). He completed his personal bankroll challenge (running $100 up to $10,000) on August 22, 2018. On September 17, 2018, he announced his "retirement" in a YouTube video about the bankroll challenge: "I'm not saying I'll never play poker again. I'm just saying, at least for the time being, I'm not going to be playing poker. I'm going to step away from the game for a bit."

Despite this announcement, he did play the WSOP Main Event in 2019. It did not go well. He tweeted this on July 5, 2019:
"I'm out guys, punted off the rest of my chips. Cant even play poker well anymore, playing gives me really bad anxiety and while I'm there I just want to leave. Only played this summer because I didnt want to let you guys down. Not going to play again, sorry everybody."

On July 28, 2020—a little over a year after this punt and less than 2 years after his official retirement announcement—he challenged Negreanu to a heads-up NLHE match. Polk has admitted that he never expected Negreanu to accept the challenge, but he did accept it—the day after it was issued, in fact. The match began on November 4, 2020. But Polk was seriously studying ("in the lab") and grinding preparatory sessions for 3 months before that start.

So I'd say his "retirement" lasted <2 years.
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01-31-2021 , 09:29 AM
Reading that breakdown above makes me see why DN took on this challenge. I think he thought DP would mentally break at some point during the 25k hands.

Kudos to DP for not doing that and still playing winning poker.

Hope DP can figure out what is causing the anxiety when playing poker.
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01-31-2021 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaosTSubO
Reading that breakdown above makes me see why DN took on this challenge. I think he thought DP would mentally break at some point during the 25k hands.

Kudos to DP for not doing that and still playing winning poker.

Hope DP can figure out what is causing the anxiety when playing poker.


Nice Douglas Bias, but both have had meltdowns. Doug's tilt during and after the DNegs-tanking session is also noteworthy.
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01-31-2021 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Dick Tracy


Nice Douglas Bias, but both have had meltdowns. Doug's tilt during and after the DNegs-tanking session is also noteworthy.

that tanking would cause rage tilt in the best of us
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01-31-2021 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dhubermex
Daniel is saying on-air at GGPoker that upon finishing this match, he might play heads-up versus Phil Hellmuth. Something like the High Stakes Duel but in a freezeout format. Brent Hanks asked if Daniel would play Phil Ivey heads-up, and Daniel says he would like to do that.

"I would play Ivey. I would play Bryn. I would play any one of these guys pretty much."
As long as he had his coaches working on a gameplan to prop him up?
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01-31-2021 , 02:47 PM
the guy just lost a million bucks so of course his confidence is soring
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01-31-2021 , 03:12 PM
I guess it might actually be worth the odd million or two if he got really good at heads-up in the process?

I only recently watched the heads-up vs Dan Colman in a "One Drop" from some years ago and it was kind of painful to watch how Negreanu punted away his chance at winning $7m on top of second place money.

Then again, this may have been a once in a life time spot anyway ...
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01-31-2021 , 03:33 PM
But they are playing 100bb deep poker. Dnegs 20-50bb game still prob sucks compared to top mtt regs.

So spending 1million on getting better in HU seems just a tiny bit too much.

He could have taken that money and pay some programmers so just Programm a gto HU bot that he could play infinite hands vs to get better.

It's really good pg for gg, so there might be a chance they are even covering dnegs losses.
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01-31-2021 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
Before this challenge, how much poker has dnegs actually played?

It seems like he plays the WSOP events and takes most of the year off.

Dnegs has made virtually all his money from branding Dnegs not from playing poker.
If you look at Hendon Mob, he doesn't play many live major tournaments. He could be playing cash games or online anonymously.
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01-31-2021 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
If you look at Hendon Mob, he doesn't play many live major tournaments. He could be playing cash games or online anonymously.
He plays almost every single wsop event and has for a while
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01-31-2021 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
He plays almost every single wsop event and has for a while
And has lost money doing it for a while.

Winnings sound good if you don't count buyins.

My point is, he doesn't seem to do much the rest of the year.

If he really thought he had an edge in live tournaments you would think he would
play all over the world in the big events.
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01-31-2021 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
And has lost money doing it for a while.

Winnings sound good if you don't count buyins.

My point is, he doesn't seem to do much the rest of the year.

If he really thought he had an edge in live tournaments you would think he would
play all over the world in the big events.
He was playing the super high rollers before coronavirus started. I don’t know why he would want to travel and do that while there is a plague.
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02-01-2021 , 12:19 AM
Yeh, I am not sure why DN doesn't play more tournaments, but he plays SHRs and 2K/4K mixed and so on. I don't know why people here imply he is a donk who just markets his image for endorsements. If that was so he wouldn't have accepted the challenge or have done well enough that DP does not want a rematch.
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02-01-2021 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaosTSubO
that tanking would cause rage tilt in the best of us
I used to grind Normal HU SNGs on a black market site, and when opponents would excessively tank I would tank-back and it would almost always get them to stop. The only time I didn't mind it was when I was cooking, cleaning my apartment, working on something else or peeing in a bottle.
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02-01-2021 , 01:30 AM
Also the only WSOP Player of the Year twice and almost a 3rd time. Tournament poker player of the decade. 2nd in $1M buyin. 3rd in all time money winnings without playing many tournaments. Doyle is thinks he is really good, so presumably he beats the big mixed game in Bobby's Room.

Just a typical player who can't win anymore or got lucky in a donkament and makes money only on endorsements, videos, coaching, etc.
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