what do u mean by "reasonable frequency"

because it's certainly a 3bet and a 4bet at a low frequency

For example range converter Heads up 100bb 500z charts never have A8o as even a 3 bet. So I guess just wondering what HU charts are comparable to what these 2 will be using.

If they kept playing live at say 1k/2k, there would be a huge potential to market that with Danilel wearing their gear and buzzwords “million dollar challenge, highest stakes ever played” etc
At this point, nobody but 2+2 even cares. Most people lost interest with no hole cards and no table talk. Another embarrassing session like that(trying to rep quads HU) even less people will watch. It’s jut not fun. I don’t see how Dnegs playing online on a non gg poker site benefits them in any way.

what a huge turn punt that was, if Negreanu plays like that a win is inconceivable

Yeah, I mean, who in their right would even give a **** about losing 50-100% of their annual net income in some silly bet. As an aside, your estimate seems super inflated anyway.

Bill Perkins,

When does this magical training that no one knows about kick in?

i never knew this, im dying rofl that sounds so much like something daniel would do

ur talking likes this is what wins u or losses u the money in hu lol, u can be best poker player in the world and 4 bet a2off and u would still be best poker player

No im not.... im just asking where they are basing their charts off of. Thanks for being a dick for no reason though. Im fully aware of the fact that small preflop deviations is not the source of most EV in poker, esp heads up.

Why so toxic bro..?

Notable bill perkins has not tweeted since the first online match after non stop tweeting about hybridpoker and dnegs training against what he considers poker 'god' on the new app hes helping release

it's pretty unlikely Doug is making a mistake 4-betting a specific combo. He's actually pretty likely to even have his frequencies pretty tight in IP 4-bet spots as they are more infrequent, and it's a smaller, more manageable range.

He's much more likely to have frequency issues OOP in 3-bet pots, as tons of **** gets mixed facing an open.

as for where his preflop solves come from, if I had to guess, I'd say that he got a custom tree for rakeless play built

It appears Bill Perkins

I have been puzzling over the contradictions too, as Negreanu has been a leading figure in poker, rightly or wrongly, ever since I started playing and following the game in the Moneymaker onwards times, so it has been fascinating to see his downfall.

I think a big problem he has is that he still thinks he is a top player, and does not accept that results suggest otherwise. His thinking is so like Matusow's, both sure they are great players, so both taking on the best players, and refusing to accept that they have been losing for years and there is nothing to suggest that will change.

So in his mind, he won't really need to prepare that much as he is so good already. He is now having a very expensive lesson that he has totally underestimated how good Polk is and that he is not as competitive against Polk as he thought he was. He isn't that far away from Trump's thinking of refusing to accept the US election result claiming that it was rigged, rather than accepting the facts showed he wasn't as successful as he thought.

I wonder what Hellmuth and Doyle and all Daniel's other oldschool friends think of their bet now lol

I honestly think Daniel was just deluded enough not to realise how much of a bloodbath HU can be if someone has a significant edge, I seriously doubt he has played more than a few thousand hands of online HU lifetime.

He just doesn't really have much experience of it, i wouldn't be surprised if he's just like 'Well, I may be a dog but how bad can it be LOLZ'

Judging by his behaviour during the online WSOP we could be in for a major blowup and him trying to explain away his mistakes as just runbad, I wonder if that will continue though once we get to bloodbath stage

goes to show how clueless a lot of poker players are, pretty sure a decent mid-small stakes hu reg would be losing like min10bb to doug and those regs would destroy negreanu. 4 to 1 in 25k hands was an insult for the hu game of poker lol. also in hu ur winrate can double if the opponent starts to play looser during downswings and if ur not used with the swings u will definetly tilt.


silly match tbh that should never have happened.

Someone's down 3 buy ins over 600 hands?? To be part of the club I, too, will find this statistically meaningful..

People are noticing basic and glaring deficiencies in DN's play

Hi Joe:

How do you know Negreanu makes that kind of money? I do have some experience in what publishers/poker entities are willing to pay, and while I don't have to be right, I would think that in today's environment he makes no where close to that amount.

Also, over the years, I've known a number of poker players who were willing to play way over their bankroll. And while I can't say for sure, Negreanu has always impressed me as someone capable of doing this.

Best wishes,
Mason

imo basically Doug has to run exceptionally poorly in 4bet pots / preflop coolers to lose. That is why the odds are shifting, and why it's still not 100:1 against. As above poster said, it's not that Daniel swung down some buyins, it's the fashion in which he did, which showed what a serious underdog that he is against a more polished, studied fundamental player who has been tirelessly working on their game. Is it possible for Daniel to recover and win, sunrunning Doug over 25k hands in 4/5 bet pots (which also will generally require him to cooler Doug)? absolutely. If the cards break even, as the odds are indicating, who would the winner be? Doug, given a large enough sample, and if Daniel is going to spot him enormous EV like the 97 torch, it's going to be pretty uphill for Dnegs.

Kakitee said it when he was commentating, if Doug was taking some hits, he would be keeping his composure. Daniel was getting lost in a lot of pots, and it was causing him to steam, which led to compounding losses. Doug, on the other hand, not only has a fundamental game that is much more solid than Daniel which he always has to fall back on when he's taking some bad variance, but he is much more used to rapid fire swings against good players where he has to fight more for his edge, and there is more self-doubt possible.

This is a good analysis while Daniel didn't say it in the post game interview I think that 97 call on the turn had alot to do with the part you mention in bold. He had been getting run over by variance and probably sub optimal defending and betting ranges or atleast the execution of them on his end and it led to him emotionally taking a stand in a bad spot.

getting run over by variance, try getting run over

DN appears to be obsessed with protecting his x/x x/x lines for rivers with near top of his range on turns, and is also bizarrely checking bottom of range hands all over the place

Doug is redlining him into oblivion, and is relentlessly attacking his capped ranges.

I agree with the analysis that he was feeling bullied on the 8885 texture after doug was barreling a bunch in 3bet pots, his adjustment is exactly what Doug is hoping for

I think Doug would be wise to slow his play down a bit. If Daniel gets smoked in a few sessions and is overwhelmed by the speed of the game heÂ’s more likely to call it quits.

Was there a penalty in place for quitting early? Was that escrowed?

He would absolutely be a dog vs a 100nl hu specialist, it's not even close at this point.

Was some hand where Polk checked the nut low after barrelling twice (Polk had 23 on a board I think was AAxxx). Shows pretty clearly what he thinks of Negreanus ranges at this point (It shows he thinks Negreanu is playing that spot incorrectly, basically).

I do have to mention that ironically if the hand was the other way around we'd all just laugh at Negreanu for not bluffing with the nut low ala "haha doesnt he know that hand is a bluff?" but when it's Polk we see it as him adjusting to exploit flaws he sees in Negreanus game Bit hypocritical of us (or, me), but probably the truth of the situation

Agree, around 2011 or so i remember overhearing matusow state stars paid daniel 2 million a year. And mike probably had inside info..