As others have pointed out, you have plenty of alternatives from which the most obvious are, watch the telecast and not the live streams. If you still want to watch the live streams, hit the mute button. If you don't want to miss on the ACTION, that's what the animated graphics are for, they show stack sizes, positions, hole cards and actions on every street.

As I recall, this was a last-minute addition to the live stream schedule, done only because it was Ivey making a bracelet run. Nolan Dalla, Mark Hoke and a handful of people did a tag-team effort to provide commentary (to varying degrees of quality). Dalla took over for the last hour, right up to the winning hand.

Here is the archived video, all five hours of it, for those who haven't seen it: http://www.wsop.com/videos/?vid=103

If this is what the OP prefers, then I guess more power to him. But it's easy to see why this would never catch on, and further why the OP would fall into a very, very small minority who prefers this.

I don't think hes a small minority, not saying I prefer it. But if you look daniel was tweeting how great it was and everyone else was agreeing and saying it was hilarious. Assuming your talking about raymond davis.

Gabe Kaplan was the only poker commentator i could ever stand to listen too. All others are just annoying as ****. I actually liked the way gabe described the strategy bits.

Thanks for the link. I might rewatch it. If you could find me the link to where Ibey got 3rd I think, I would really appreciate it. That was some of most exciting poker I've ever watched... It was a couple years ago and I'm not sure what game it was... I'm on my phone and can't search...

op, i dont think there's necessarily too much strategy talk, just that theyre not entertaining about it. Most of these guys are just introverted, square/boring people, and listening to them talk about anything will rarely be entertaining. But when u have guys like sommerville or esfandiari or hellmuth in there they talk plenty of strategy, but at the same time they are aware of the fact that entertaining is the priority, and they have the ability to do it. I think whoever puts out the live stream needs to recognize that no matter how solid a players strategical analysis is, some of them just have no business broadcasting it. Its like if u just had bill belichik and greg popovich hosting pardon the interruption on espn. Wow thats incredible insight into the intricate nuances of the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

Yea, I agree with what you're saying. I guess it just depends who is in there and how they commentate... I would listen to Hellmuth all day long and some others but I can't remember who lol...

I was unsure about that until:

Then I realized from his infractions that OP is a known troll. So yes, it's probably a level.

I love listening to Antonio Estanfiari (sp). Like someone said earlier, he understands there has to be some entertainment value. He mixes nerdy analysis with a little levity.

And I like when Antonio and Laak break down specific hands; they keep it light.

I hate that smug kid on WPT who scientifically breaks down specific hands. Dude, get over yourself. He's like Barney Stinson on HIMYM. Except he's not funny.

Are you talking about Tony Dunst? Because he does exactly what he's hired to do, and he does it pretty well imo (or at least did back when I watched WPT, I can't stand that show)

Haven't read thread.

Agree with OP. I stopped watching WSOP / Televised poker because the commentary became dreadful boring. Someone please deliver Gabe Kaplan a dumptruck full of money to cast the WSOP and every important televised event.

i think that Dunst is absolutely the best at balancing legitimate strategy discussion and entertainment for casual players - i prefer as indeep strat as possible, but if there has to be some light talk, Dunst is great.

Yes, Tony Dunst. Yes, he's doing exactly what he's hired to do. 100% agree.

I just find it tedious.

OP I think I speak for all of NVG when I say I thank you for being one of the fish that exists in the poker community for others to prey upon

For the average joe this is bad, it makes poker look tougher, would be better to have a fun guy that talks trash

Would also be more enjoyable for the average joes.

I completely agree... I want the average Joe's to get interested. Not possibly intelligent people who are interested in the strategy and eager to learn... We want people to start playing, not start learning...

Veggie Boy just hit an interesting point here. We DO want them to start learning. The most lucrative mark in poker is not the absolute beginner who decides to try the game out on a lark. When he loses, he'll get discouraged and never come back.

No, the gravy train is the guy who has picked up a few tips, maybe skimmed HOH, watched some TV poker and now thinks he has mastered the game*. When he wins, it keeps him coming back. When he loses, well, he has learned enough about poker to know that it might just be variance. For this reason, one of the shrewdest Full Tilt ads was the one when Chris Ferguson gets his chips in good only to lose to a three-outer. It was effectively saying, "If at first you do not succeed, deposit, deposit again."

Anyway, this all goes back to support the OP's initial point: if the strategy talk gets too complicated or advanced, a novice would immediately learn from the commentary how far behind they are. They might never take up the game. If a commentator can put things in relatively simple terms — even it sometimes seems "beneath" the average 2+2er — more listeners would think "this all makes sense! I can do this!"

Put another way: shut your eyes and imagine a card room full of people who learned everything they know about the game from listening to Phil Gordon on Celebrity Poker Showdown. Got it? Good. Now open your eyes and go clean the drool off your keyboard.

There is, turn down the volume.

I like it personally.

I have a hard time imagining Gabe Kaplan doing a 3-4 hour live stream solo. He is excellent at edited footage however. Televised events, yes. Live streams are never going to main stream television.

Novices generally watch poker on tv that is commentated by norman chad and lon mceachern. People who go to the extent of seeking a live stream of a live event are generally past the novice stage. Each platform has a different target audience so as far as I am concerned, things are setup just fine, tv poker for casuals and novices while online streams for more analytical audience.
At any case, the OP is clearly trolling because at this point and based on the post referenced below, he essentially calling himself a fish.

and Mike Sexton and Michael Konik and Kenna James and Chad Brown and Robert Williamson and... (yeah, I'm going back a few years for some of these).

Fair point. I've definitely derailed myself from the live streams to telecasts, the latter of which is not what Veggie Boy is grousing about.

I respect your opinion and your right to have it. What I do not respect is you constantly trying to force this opinion on everyone when you are clearly in a small minority of people that share this opinion.
There are streams (secondary) that are presented in the way you prefer. There are more streams presented in the way most people actually prefer which is only logical.

Haha this was me back at the end of 07. Won a few home game sit n gos against other donks and thought I was awesome. Luckily I was a huge nit when it came to bankroll management.

But yeah, those are the guys you want. Back then those guys could go on heaters for a while and survive longer. Nowadays even at very low micro stakes they are goin to be crushed if they don't play a TAGish type game when they first start playing .

Lol, this

The solution is simple... Secondary audio feed from the floor... Make it happen...