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Originally Posted by Kyle Saunders
T7s is a +ev shove.
I have it in my limp/call strategy as I want a limping range.
Some people, including DNegs who just responded to me on Twitter, are over simplifying the shove to 2 words "It's +EV".
However, this assumes that your opponent is the average of all opponents that has the same calling range as the average of all opponents, and assumes within this that their perception of your shoving range is that of the average of all opponents.
This was not the case in the hand in question. Steffen Sontheimer's perception of DNegs open shoving range enabled him to calculate that he had enough equity to call with A6 and probably with some decent Kx and Qx hands too.
So had the shove been by a 90 year old man Sontheimer would have passed.
I play almost exclusively PLO nowadays but I do have some experience of this in decent quality field live NLHE tournaments. A GTO style very good Finn called my JTo open shove HU for the comp with his Q6o getting odds of 6/4 and he was right. I had only 14 BBs so was shoving against any opponent with JT but his understanding of ranges and equities meant he could call that light. In the same tournament when 8 handed on the last two tables I fake befriended the player on my immediate left and got him to volunteer that he was a multi tabling NLHE on line grinder. Once I'd gained this info and stacks got shallower I tightened up my open shoving range knowing that he's calling with Q9+
I did this because any tiny edge that Nash
says I was giving up was compensated by me protecting my ICM and by the fact that when I did pick up a stronger hand in the SB I know he will call my shove wide, giving me a big edge.
So by all means use Nash as a guide, but you need to consider your opponent's calling range and their perception of your shoving range, and not treat the decision as if it is one robot playing another identical robot.
This for me makes the T7s shove the wrong play for DNegs in that spot against that opponent, and more wrong because some of his edges lie elsewhere, e.g. through live reads.
Last edited by SageDonkey; 07-17-2018 at 07:19 PM.