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07-17-2018 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SrslySirius
A deal is a deal. You can do all the mental gymnastics you like to vilify grinders, but it doesn't justify scamming them.
Vilifying grinders - That was a nice use of words SrslySirius. Btw, love your work man. Keep it up!
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07-17-2018 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemon93PCTSure
+EV is +EV, this is a very top heavy sit and go I'm sure with the big bb ante any Sng player will confirm the shove is just correct
Not sure what you want to wait for in that field

Daniel played meh, the punt early on with pair of 8s he didn't show but talked about, weird ass line where he donked 3way
And the A7 punt where he played by feeling and picked a not so great combo (doesn't block spades, has too many 7x and weaker hands to bluff that size and A is not really relevant besides actually having more showdown value in the checking part of range)

I'd be very surprised even If you do play with limp raise strategy that a t7s wouldn't be mixed in the jam range? Don't play Sng though
T7s is a +ev shove.

I have it in my limp/call strategy as I want a limping range.
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07-17-2018 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
Mason,

Get over it. We know you don’t like him and you probably both said some mean things but life is to short to dwell on things. It’s best to look forward and not in the past. And of course to be the better person. You don’t need to stoop to their level to get back at them.

Best Wishes,

golfbum983
+1
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07-17-2018 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Saunders
The shove is correct from a Nash prospective.

The issue I have wish it its a marginal shove so what it’s saying is Daniel thinks he can’t find a better spot (He hasn’t got an edge)
He would be absolutely correct in that one and luckily he is aware enough to realize this. There is no reason for him to play this tournament from a financial standpoint but he might do it for the bracelet or all time money records or something like that.
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07-17-2018 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
He would be absolutely correct in that one and luckily he is aware enough to realize this. There is no reason for him to play this tournament from a financial standpoint but he might do it for the bracelet or all time money records or something like that.
No bracelet here.
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07-17-2018 , 10:00 AM
What a great WSOP summer for DN. Great promotion for his so called "masterclass".

My impression is that DN got carried away by his big SHRB cash, thinking he is back under the top players after studying.

For me, i really didnt like how he laughed at phil hellmuth in his vlog watching him bust the main event, so it was a bitter sweat moment to watch daniel busting a 1 million dollar buyin event.

after watching his vlogs my impression is that he has a hard time personally. he doesnt seem to have real friends, his gf left him and his behaviour to become everybodys darling doesnt play out.
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07-17-2018 , 10:10 AM
I think there is a bracelet, just no POY points
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07-17-2018 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Saunders
The shove is correct from a Nash prospective.

The issue I have wish it its a marginal shove so what it’s saying is Daniel thinks he can’t find a better spot (He hasn’t got an edge)
comparing to other short stacked players during the one drop, i think nobody would have shoved from the SB with t7. players like rast, seidel or ivy handled these situations in a much more cautios way. so to say this shove is absolute standard is just wrong in my opinion.
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07-17-2018 , 10:38 AM
I've said it before, absolute focus is so key to doing anything well. Obviously you need some run good, but I've seen it so much it can't be that much of coincidence. DNegs had absolute focus on the SHR, studying and coaches put him in a great spot to succeed.

That bluff attempt into two players yesterday (He had a 7x, they had Jx and trapping flush) would NEVER have happened in the SHR. He would've let the pot go and 'knew' that another opportunity was coming. Then he went right into another marginal spot the next hand to go even shorter .. followed by the 15/20 break problem.

PHell makes an even larger than normal dink of himself and promptly goes out and wins a bracelet. Focus.

Years ago Rickey Fowler on the PGA Tour is getting ripped for never winning a major (and his girlfriend's clothes) and promptly goes out and pretty much cruised to victory that week.

Years ago the Mizrachi family is having financial troubles and they go out and absolutely smash the WSOP that year .. with all four brothers cashing in multiple events.

Even without the personal/hockey stuff I think DNegs is stretched (and even trapped) during the WSOP and it showed with certain comments about hands. Someone with extreme focus doesn't 'oh well' their way past some of those spots.

We all analyze from a far, but I really hope he sits back and watches his own Vlogs from a 'scouting' point of view. Certainly you can't set cashing and run good aside, but if he watches all the previous Day X Vlogs 'side by side' he should definitely see the differences and then determine if those differences actually affected his poker or not. Not that he needs to add to his WSOP routine, but I would watch those Vlogs 'day of' next year, even putting 'The Rockys' to the side, in an effort to steer his focus and efforts as he feels is needed. GL
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07-17-2018 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by mamelas
Imo, it is appropriate. It correctly highlights the vindictive, manipulative nature Dnegs employs on a regular basis when he faces conflict. Anyone catch today when Kempe busted he needles him and says, "ooh that was a quick one." That's the kind of behavior the guy posting the letter is talking about.
I saw that - Kempe handled the classless needle well.
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07-17-2018 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
Mason,

Get over it. We know you don’t like him and you probably both said some mean things but life is to short to dwell on things. It’s best to look forward and not in the past. And of course to be the better person. You don’t need to stoop to their level to get back at them.

Best Wishes,

golfbum983
Mason isn't the first person to speak about Dnegs being two-faced when the cameras aren't on him or when there isn't anything to be gained. In terms of disclosure and Dnegs being a prominent figure it seems fair to the public's interest, and in the case of NVG it is excellent drama.

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Originally Posted by answer20
We all analyze from a far, but I really hope he sits back and watches his own Vlogs from a 'scouting' point of view. Certainly you can't set cashing and run good aside, but if he watches all the previous Day X Vlogs 'side by side' he should definitely see the differences and then determine if those differences actually affected his poker or not. Not that he needs to add to his WSOP routine, but I would watch those Vlogs 'day of' next year, even putting 'The Rockys' to the side, in an effort to steer his focus and efforts as he feels is needed. GL
The problem with this is that anything that "sounds kind of good or correct" on what would be surface thoughts for most people becomes rigidly assumed as fact by Dnegs. It can be explained clearly in terms of validity and soundness in logic -> things can be valid without being true. This is of no concern to him, so he ends up believing in aliens after watching something on Netflix, and he will believe what he's said and expressed in his vlogs to be fine because it satisfies his personal agenda alone.

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07-17-2018 , 12:00 PM
Did Daniel meet Marissa at Choice Center or just introduce her to it?

https://www.facebook.com/choicecente...1592797274701/
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07-17-2018 , 12:18 PM
He met her there. And yet apparently she wasn't a stimulating dinner conversationalist.

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FUN FACT ABOUT MARISSA
Marissa has a deep love for animals and has been a vegan for the last 4 years!
A vegan for the last 4 years eh? Something tells me she's eating a big juicy country steak right about now.
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07-17-2018 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kerr
Did Daniel meet Marissa at Choice Center or just introduce her to it?

https://www.facebook.com/choicecente...1592797274701/

10 years now without a Rio bracelet for Negreanu!

Didn't realize how small the fields have been in all his bracelet wins, looks like circa 480 was the largest.
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07-17-2018 , 12:44 PM
We (genuine use) shouldn't forget that regardless of what people think of his skill level, personality and recent results that he had to be very good/very successful over a sustained period of years to work himself into the position now and in recent years where he can casually enter a $1M buy in comp.

Respect should be based on someone's overall body of work and achievements, not just what happened yesterday or last week.

(My biggest ever MTT buy is 1/500th of this)
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07-17-2018 , 03:08 PM
We're getting a Polk video about this, right?
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07-17-2018 , 03:17 PM
Video is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foFFnby2eAU Best part is what Ivey said to Daniel just before the break ended and Daniel was knocked out.
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07-17-2018 , 03:21 PM
Watching Negreanu melt down in the past two vlogs after lighting $700K+ in WSOP buyins on fire made for a rather enjoyable end to the series.
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07-17-2018 , 03:32 PM
So essentially DN is mad a company made a communications blunder? Well Daniel they changed the break, it is in their ToS. They were going to let you know about it but they waited till the last moment. How does it feel?
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07-17-2018 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
So essentially DN is mad a company made a communications blunder?
Well played.
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07-17-2018 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
So essentially DN is mad a company made a communications blunder? Well Daniel they changed the break, it is in their ToS. They were going to let you know about it but they waited till the last moment. How does it feel?
POTY
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07-17-2018 , 04:34 PM
It's all pretty ironic, 2 vlogs ago Daniel was also talking about the good old days where wsop didn't have these lower skill gimmick bracelet events like turbos and bounties, and it celebrated the top players, it was an honour to even play and bracelets meant something. He even complained about how corporate it's getting
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07-17-2018 , 05:25 PM
Man it's over
I feel real sad actually like Friends ending or something, I've watched pretty much every episode this summer! Big props to you Daniel and your editor also, some mad work ethic right there. Looking forward to the weight loss updates, it's a thing I'm also struggling with.

P.S. looked at Nash charts and boy is daniel right about the T7s vs smn good. I guarantee you if Doug looks at that spot he'll be on Daniel's side
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07-17-2018 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
So essentially DN is mad a company made a communications blunder? Well Daniel they changed the break, it is in their ToS. They were going to let you know about it but they waited till the last moment. How does it feel?
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07-17-2018 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Saunders
T7s is a +ev shove.

I have it in my limp/call strategy as I want a limping range.
Some people, including DNegs who just responded to me on Twitter, are over simplifying the shove to 2 words "It's +EV".

However, this assumes that your opponent is the average of all opponents that has the same calling range as the average of all opponents, and assumes within this that their perception of your shoving range is that of the average of all opponents.

This was not the case in the hand in question. Steffen Sontheimer's perception of DNegs open shoving range enabled him to calculate that he had enough equity to call with A6 and probably with some decent Kx and Qx hands too.

So had the shove been by a 90 year old man Sontheimer would have passed.

I play almost exclusively PLO nowadays but I do have some experience of this in decent quality field live NLHE tournaments. A GTO style very good Finn called my JTo open shove HU for the comp with his Q6o getting odds of 6/4 and he was right. I had only 14 BBs so was shoving against any opponent with JT but his understanding of ranges and equities meant he could call that light. In the same tournament when 8 handed on the last two tables I fake befriended the player on my immediate left and got him to volunteer that he was a multi tabling NLHE on line grinder. Once I'd gained this info and stacks got shallower I tightened up my open shoving range knowing that he's calling with Q9+

I did this because any tiny edge that Nash says I was giving up was compensated by me protecting my ICM and by the fact that when I did pick up a stronger hand in the SB I know he will call my shove wide, giving me a big edge.

So by all means use Nash as a guide, but you need to consider your opponent's calling range and their perception of your shoving range, and not treat the decision as if it is one robot playing another identical robot.

This for me makes the T7s shove the wrong play for DNegs in that spot against that opponent, and more wrong because some of his edges lie elsewhere, e.g. through live reads.

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