I heard there are a few rich man 250Ks included in your -730K number

Yeah, the bolded is the main flaw in that logic. It's as if he thinks all tourneys are created equal, and he just happens to be running badly in the bigger ones.

Kind of reminds me of a time at my old job when our women's basketball team lost to Stanford by 20 or so. (For those who don't know, this is a pretty solid showing for a D-I mid-major.) This came a few days after we had crushed a weaker team, shot probably 60 percent from the field, hit our threes, etc. to win that same margin. One of our fans came to me after the Stanford game, and said something like "Wow, if we had shot as well today as we did on Tuesday, we would have won!" You know, as if your ability to put up the rock has nothing to do with the opponent's skill level.

pretty sure theres only one 250K

Thanks for partially confirming that vile rumor

Daniel screwed up his quest for a million dollars in wsop losses by buying into the $250K only once.

It’s still going on, few hours in

To be fair his point probably would have been better if it ended on day 3. Playing super deep early when the limits don’t matter and then ending quickly and shallow especially in a limit tournament is the worst it can be structured. But I didn’t look at the exact structure and because it’s onto day 4 I’m assuming it was well structured throughout meaning it didn’t turn into a 3 BB average or something once in the money.

Old Man Negreanu would give his right nut to be playing day 4 for a desert bracelet.
Instead he was knocked out early in day 2.

My main gripe with Daniel is that what Daniel does in these events shouldn't even be considered poker. He just gets in in early and gambles hoping to get lucky and build a chip stack. Then he rebuys as much as possible and never really even tries to play poker unless hes successfully bought his way into a huge chip stack. He plays every event like the flip and go event.


It's why it's so funny to watch him lose over and over, because he's trying to buy a bracelet instead of earn it and the poker gods keep making him pay.

How ironic that playing for the win in the online event means to fold A7s and conserve your 20bb stack. Oh Daniel.

And 'the streak' continues, once again.

Daniel has one more event left.

With haters likes these, who needs fans?

It will be hilarious when one year Dnegs wins POY while being down md six figures for the series.

2 people care about POY

Imagine if in sports they gave MVPs to players who were net negatives to their team.

Maybe they can give tennis player of the year to a guy who stinks in every event.

On many occasions Negreanu has called me incompetent or the equivalent of it. But if he was to read and understand the chapters on “Non-Self-Weighting Strategies” in my book Gambling Theory and Other Topics he would learn that how off base his thinking is and that expert gamblers don’t think this way.

Mason

I don’t think there is any real argument to this. And perfect example to bolster this argument is Phil Hellmuth. There’s a reason he’s day 3’d like almost every event he’s played this year.

Not to say Daniel hasn’t played well either, he has, but his summer will always be made or broke on wether or not hi min+ cashes the high rollers. I mean look at Allen Kessler, he will only have a breakeven/small win or loss WSOP because of the 25k min cash and he plays just as many events as DNegs.

Phil plays lots of events but he doesn’t overextend himself in those events always makes sure he’s rested properly etc.

Dude, surely there are better hobbies you could pursue out there ? Try branching out a bit

What are you going to do with yourself after WSOP otherwise once Negreanu watch is off the table

Haha yeah I was wrong, I'm just surprised they stopped at 1 am on day 3 with only 3 players left. I know I've seen them play other tourneys much later. It looks like it took the 3 players another 3 and a half hours to finish up on day 4. I feel like they could have easily just played until 430 am and finished in 3 days.

Regardless, Daniel is still a clown for complaining about structures being too deep. And it doesn't even matter if it's deep or too shallow, Daniel has too much money as well as WSOP adhd, where he will be looking to join the next tournament before the existing one even makes day 2.

Sorry if that wasn't clear. It's basically that you can measure by either dollars won or by buyins won, and neither is perfect. If you want to make yourself feel good, you can choose whichever one is better, and if you want to criticize, you can choose whichever looks worse, and both he and people on this forum choose to look at the stats they want to make the point they want.

Everyone savvy enough to be on this forum knows - his ultimate dollar result depends on exactly what he says : results in high rollers, plus potentially converting a deep run into a win. Neither has happened this year, and everyone can make their own judgment as to what extent that's a skill issue versus a variance issue. His buyin result is interesting and probably provides some indication as to whether he's playing ok or not, but the variation between events (game format, buyin, field size, structure) makes it hard to take a lot of conclusions from.

In the end, it's important to remember he's making content and trying to promote poker. Even if he's going home every night and crying naked in the shower for hours about how he's down 700K, that isn't exactly going to sell poker to the masses, so he's always going to show generally positive content that promotes both poker and his personal brand.

Here's a novel idea for Daniel Negreanu.
How about measuring sucess by the number of wsop bracelets you win?

You know, kinda like how Hellmuth measures success.

Daniel made an interesting comment in one of his recent vlogs where he said Shaun deeb (currently 2nd in wsop poy) is actually down overall for the series despite winning a bracelet and final tabling a couple more events. Kinda weird that someone who could potentially win POY is stuck money because of high rollers!

Although I'm not sure that statement is entirely true. If you look at deebs numbers for face value he is down, but realistically he is staked for the high rollers and not the smaller events so him not cashing in high rollers isn't as detrimental to the bottom line as it seems. It just seemed like a weird comment by Daniel to make, almost like he mentioned it to make himself feel better about being down almost a million dollars.

I’m sure he’s ok, to keep his 3M or whatever salary he needs to run around Paris/Horseshoe for two months with a camera like a lunatic. But with a smile on his face even when down around 750K. I could probably do that.

Hahaha exactly.

Then again, there are probably people who never read beyond Goodnight Moon who know how off base his thinking is and that expert gamblers don't think that way.

This implies that he is doing nothing else but watching Negreanu to see if "the streak" continues. For all we know, he's completing an advanced degree in particle physics in between stints at volunteering at a homeless shelter where he teaches people to make their own clothes from discarded water bottles, yet still finds 30 seconds to mention a winless streak on an online forum.

"Don't you have more important things to do?"
"Yeah, but I'm not doing them right now."

Yeah but there’s no chapter on expert gamblers getting paid millions of dollars to lose as long as they video tape it and laugh.