Those two categories seem to cover all the bases. What's missing?

Porn culture and more generally a patriarchal consumer capitalist system, is probably one part of the equation. Although systemic causal thinking isn't very popular these days.

His subjective violence against women isn't necessarily any worse then the objective violence against women he is a proud poster boy for, or direct/systemic -violence if you prefer.

I've already given you one, dude. Lumping her into one of those categories denies her the option of wanting to be there and enjoy getting f'd up while getting f'd without being considered a whore. That's giving her the neutral benefit of the doubt. It's like that hasn't even crossed your mind, because if it had, you would have also realized that is by far the best approach to take to have more meaningful social experiences (and more of them) with anybody.

".....wanting to be there and enjoy getting f'd up while getting f'd without being considered a whore.

I always prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, but that's a pretty accurate definition of a whore / slut.

... however, assuming Dan's money is not an attraction (huge assumption) and the girl doesn't care about it, I'd be ok with ruling out "prostitute".

The patriarch isn't the problem, neither is the hegemon, - I was talking about objective, not subjective violence. Of course we have freedom, but our freedom is always bound to causality. In other words, I'm not saying that people are blind victims of faith, only that they live within a culture that also informs their choices.

Nobody is subordinating those women except the women themselves. And they are exercising the freedoms this culture provides them. Freedom is the cause, not the effect.

Wat? No comprendo bro.

What? I am clearly talking about a lack of negative liberty (freedom from) more so than a lack of positive liberty (freedom to). Women can't escape the daily objectification of their whole gender, that doesn't mean they aren't free to deal with it as they choose. To claim that said objectification doesn't effect women, however, is nonsensical.

Bitch - go suck that steroid abusers rich dick and bring me back some coke or steal me something to sell. Now who's subordinating?

Explain how these women ended up in Dan's company due to society's presumed "objectification' of women.

I haven't see any pix of them barefoot and pregnant, slaving away cooking his dinner.

We have gone from a print-based culture to an image-based culture. And the images we are bombarded with daily are becoming more and more pornographic in nature. Half naked women with **** me stares posing provocatively are everywhere. To variable degrees, seldom consciously, women will compare themselves to these pictures of airbrushed models, and always fall short. Possibly a partial explanation for the increased suicide rate amongst young girls. Obviously, this will affect self esteem and body image, and create a need for attention and self-affirmation.

We are also taught to equate success and wealth.

And, the creation of false needs is among the biggest industries in the world today. Having access to luxury is a want instilled in all of us through commercials, product placements and so on from childhood on. In fact, among other things, psychologists working on commercials aimed at children, have studied how to design commercials to make kids nag their parents in a more effective manner. The last part should give you some idea on how ruthless this commercialism really is.

On top of this, women today are supposed to be both whores and sluts on the one hand, and innocent virgins on the other. A dilemma you have to be a Paris Hilton to come out on the winning side of, others haven't got the social or financial capital to wear the whore badge with pride.

The list could be much longer, better written and more coherent, of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK4yJrbw5WQ

Blah blah blah GTFO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlwBJmQ2JDE

this thread has turned quite qay

lol at the "steroid abuser" comment. you guys have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to that. just because someone is bigger than you doesn't mean they abuse steroids.

We are all more or less aware of society's lingering sexual hangups and you seem well versed in the topic, but I asked about this specific situation.

Here we have women knowingly and willingly acting like sluts. How are we to blame? What might we change that would prevent women (and men if some posts ITT are to be believed) from wanting to do this?

I submit that these intelligent women are simply exercising their free will in a free society, and if they are being subordinated, they have nobody to blame but themselves.

If someone makes they're business off sex, they'd have to be prepared for some rough housin I would think.

Couldn't agree more. They're not idiots and are fully aware of what they're doing. There's always a chance to study, find a job and be successful. They took the easy way out. And if you're a single guy with money, that is considered, as Quagmire would put it, jackpot!

Remember Dave Chapelles "how old is 15 really?" It could be applied here

There's an awful lot of r/thebluepill thinking in this thread. Needs more r/theredpill aka bilzerian aka winning thinking imo.
Social justice doesn't matter to wealthy white men yo. He's not worried about whether the whores he's ****ing had daddy issues or a cocaine addiction. He cares about how much they cost and how many girlfriends they have on speed dial.
It's confusing to me how poker players have to be conscientious that other players don't have the same approach to the game, yet miss that about other people's approaches to life.

First, I don't believe that we live in a free society. Or that such a society is even possible. But I believe the we through interacting with others always should seek to create more freedom, both as part of a society and as individuals. You can turn of your TV, but you can't escape it, celebrity driven TV-culture permeates everything. I can be against mindless consumerism, but I can't avoid that either. I live in a western capitalist society.

It is also a fact that most of our thinking is subconscious. And much of the reasons we have for acting like we do, we come up with after the action is already taken. Reason isn't possible without emotion. Without emotion you have no motivation. And much of our emotion is a product of nurture, circumstances.

I can not give a causal explanation for how these women became trophies in, what to me seems like little more than, a rich kids well financed broadcast of his own macho insecurities. My foremost complaint lays with how his views and behavior reflect on the people whom happen to be in his pictures, especially the women.

There are of course much bigger evils out there. What I can't understand is why people would defend and cheer on such a douche.

Sartre talked about absolute freedom, but for a convict, absolute freedom means little more than the freedom to change his views on his situation, given that changing the framework of the given situation is out of his/hers control. Negative freedom, freedom from restraints, is often neglected, and freedom to act takes the driver seat. All i have been saying is that choices are always taken in a situation. A situation that we often have little control over. Or at least, that we have not planned.

Newest instagram pic has him on a Yatch with a bunch of bikini-clad women...ballin.

+8

He's a vaucous, superficial guy and he attracts similar company. Both parties know what they're getting into and I am sure the women go along to enjoy the ride (excuse the pun) without a hope that it will go somewhere.

You are all so quick to judge. I reckon Dan and his ladies while away the hours discussing Sartre just like the rest of us.

Good post but i think you're looking too deeply into it. People want Dan's life because he ****s women. That's about it.