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Cheating happening at WSOP main event? Cheating happening at WSOP main event?

07-11-2015 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
What I don't understand is how in a tournament this big a dealer and player would know each other enough to cheat in this spot. Seems like it would take a lot of random things to happen for it to come together. Another reason that makes me think it's incompetence and not cheating.
Something similar to this was said a couple of times ITT. The response to "the chances of the dealer being at the same table of the player is small"...

Is it possible that the dealer tries to help a player cheat once he figures out who is at his table? The "cheating agreement" doesn't need to happen on Day 1 right?

And on top of that, if he is going to pick someone at the table to flash cards, wouldn't he pick someone in the 5 or 6 seat?

I'm not saying it is definitely cheating (as even my explanation seems ridiculous). But if it is innocent, it is extreme incompetence the way he is playing with the muck, picking it up, and flashing it.

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Originally Posted by Mattraq1
How did nobody at the table notice?

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I don't know.

It is worth noting that no one at the table notices, and this would've gone undetected if not for the bystander with the cell phone video

Last edited by sam1chips; 07-11-2015 at 12:27 AM.
07-11-2015 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by zachvac
Also he does it in such a way where if a player sees the card he just thinks it's an incompetent dealer flashing cards by mistake but with the benefit of watching it on video and examining the little things it's so absurdly obvious it was intentional whether the player was in on it or not
Guy is well trained, it'd be super tough to catch him in person. Even the most paranoid/attentive person drops their gaurd/is focusing on actual play in any tourney esp the main. Even if you would have caught him exposing that card, you still prob wouldn't have thought much of it unless you've been cheated before or are obsessed with monitoring dealer integrity (online players aren't for obv reasons)
07-11-2015 , 12:27 AM
Like I said. This dealer was involved in controversy at a Golden Nugget tournament a few weeks ago. I do not remember the details because It didnt involve me but I remember the guys face. This is absolutely intentional. Anyone who plays enough live poker should be able to read this dealer's intentions.
07-11-2015 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mdom88
Guy is well trained, it'd be super tough to catch him in person. Even the most paranoid/attentive person drops their gaurd/is focusing on actual play in any tourney esp the main. Even if you would have caught him exposing that card, you still prob wouldn't have thought much of it unless you've been cheated before or are obsessed with monitoring dealer integrity (online players aren't for obv reasons)
Not that I think this is what happened, but if I was at this table and I saw the dealer expose a card, intentional or not, And then a player acted because he saw that card, I would speak up and say something. I still find it hard to believe that no one at that table saw it. He left it exposed for almost a full second. Which is another reason I am leaning to the side of a dealer mistake
07-11-2015 , 12:36 AM
hey watch the the $250k high roller cash game. No one noticed two qc on the board, only the dealer! Players arent paying attention
07-11-2015 , 12:39 AM
Players at the table are focused on the players tanking/making the decisions (or sure on their phone), that's where the actual action/information is. Why would anyone at the table be looking at the dealer during a hand?
07-11-2015 , 12:41 AM
I would bet a lot of money that this dealer is cheating.

I played a satellite the night before day 1B. This guy came into the box and started chatting up a couple guys who I surmise were satellite regs. I noticed that this guy was doing the most ridiculous half assed shuffles I'd ever seen. He would gather the cards, not wash at all, riffle twice and then skip the overhand shuffle. It took me awhile to notice, but once I did I started watching intently. The moment I started staring at his shuffle, he started shuffling normally.

Having witnessed only a couple bad shuffles, I figured he was just lazy or distracted and had snapped out of it. Didn't think much of it. Now I'm pretty damn sure I got cheated. As a side note, he was in the box for longer than 30 minutes. I have no idea how their rotations work here(don't play many tournaments and have never played satellites) or if they're different for the satellites, but he dealt to us for longer than I would have expected. This part is strange and would suggest some kind of conspiracy, but I noticed it when it happened, and it definitely struck me as unusual at the time.
07-11-2015 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by zachvac
Players at the table are focused on the players tanking/making the decisions (or sure on their phone), that's where the actual action/information is. Why would anyone at the table be looking at the dealer during a hand?
Yeah but it is baffling that not one player caught it, it was very obvious and blatant.
07-11-2015 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JustTheTip
I would bet a lot of money that this dealer is cheating.

I played a satellite the night before day 1B. This guy came into the box and started chatting up a couple guys who I surmise were satellite regs. I noticed that this guy was doing the most ridiculous half assed shuffles I'd ever seen. He would gather the cards, not wash at all, riffle twice and then skip the overhand shuffle. It took me awhile to notice, but once I did I started watching intently. The moment I started staring at his shuffle, he started shuffling normally.

Having witnessed only a couple bad shuffles, I figured he was just lazy or distracted and had snapped out of it. Didn't think much of it. Now I'm pretty damn sure I got cheated. As a side note, he was in the box for longer than 30 minutes. I have no idea how their rotations work here(don't play many tournaments and have never played satellites) or if they're different for the satellites, but he dealt to us for longer than I would have expected. This part is strange and would suggest some kind of conspiracy, but I noticed it when it happened, and it definitely struck me as unusual at the time.
I am not going to debate with you whether or not what you are saying is accurate, but what I will say, is that if it did happen like you said with this same dealer, then wouldnt it be easier for this dealer to just set the deck for a cooler and go unnoticed instead of exposing a card like he did and get caught?
07-11-2015 , 12:47 AM
I can't believe no one seem this but also the dealer is tapping his foot to the player at the beginning of the video in 002!.. How could no one see this?. Also why in the world the other guy have 2 phones (one in his pocket and the other in on his hand) remember all it takes is one marked deck to use the online tools to cheat with a phone looking device! http://www.pokerlistings.com/blog/ar...analyzer-tools.

Last edited by EasyWin123; 07-11-2015 at 01:00 AM.
07-11-2015 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AJD804
I am not going to debate with you whether or not what you are saying is accurate, but what I will say, is that if it did happen like you said with this same dealer, then wouldnt it be easier for this dealer to just set the deck for a cooler and go unnoticed instead of exposing a card like he did and get caught?
I haven't spent any time thinking about his methods or how his scheme could work. The second I saw the video, I knew I recognized this guy and wanted to share my experience with him. As I mentioned, I didn't think much of it at the time. But combining what I saw with this video gives me no doubt whatsoever that something is going on
07-11-2015 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TrickyTiger
First time posting on here but for what its worth I recognize this dealer/player from the Golden Nugget series this summer. He was involved in some sort of angleshooting/cheating during one of the tournaments there. I am almost certain that this is intentional as I sat at the same table as him while he was playing and he is a very talkative/slimy type. He had some conflict with other players during the few hours that I sat with him. Does anyone know his name? I would like to do some more research on this.
Got this same exact impression. He gave off a slick slimy vibe.
07-11-2015 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JustTheTip
I haven't spent any time thinking about his methods or how his scheme could work. The second I saw the video, I knew I recognized this guy and wanted to share my experience with him. As I mentioned, I didn't think much of it at the time. But combining what I saw with this video gives me no doubt whatsoever that something is going on
pls share
07-11-2015 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JustTheTip
I haven't spent any time thinking about his methods or how his scheme could work.
he looked through the muck and found a card that would help seat 5.
07-11-2015 , 01:11 AM
The tournament directors need to act quick and make sure this is not part of a more elaborate scheme with several dealers and players involved. It is quite easy for a dealer trained in cheating to do all kinds of crazy things with a single 52 card deck.
07-11-2015 , 01:17 AM
Maybe I've seen too many movies but if this was a conspiracy don't you think they'd have a more sophisticated way of relaying card info than flashing a card?
07-11-2015 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by EasyWin123
I can't believe no one seem this but also the dealer is tapping his foot to the player at the beginning of the video in 002!.. How could no one see this?. Also why in the world the other guy have 2 phones (one in his pocket and the other in on his hand) remember all it takes is one marked deck to use the online tools to cheat with a phone looking device! http://www.pokerlistings.com/blog/ar...analyzer-tools.
dealer's foot does move toward seat 5 but i guess we see what we want - he's signaling player or he's just stretching.
dealer makes direct eye contact w/camera at very beginning. he knew he was being watched.
argh the more i watch this the more i can't decide.
07-11-2015 , 01:28 AM
I haven't been able to view the video since I don't do "Twitter" (or my software won't play the video), so I don't have the benefit of seeing what actually occurred; but I have a pretty good idea based on all the comments. However, I do have a question ...

I'm not an expert on proper dealing procedure and correct dealing protocol, but isn't it a rule of dealing - or at least taught in dealing school - that the dealer is never supposed to pick up cards in the muck until after the hand is over? If this is taught in dealing school, how strongly is this "rule" emphasized? Just how big of an error is it for a dealer to pick up cards from the muck (and manipulate those cards) while action is still pending?
07-11-2015 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by The Boot Room
I've never seen a tweet with so many replies. Who knew poker, cheating, and the WSOP were so popular?
07-11-2015 , 01:30 AM
has the video been taken down? It won't let me view it.
07-11-2015 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ilittle17
hey watch the the $250k high roller cash game. No one noticed two qc on the board, only the dealer! Players arent paying attention
Here is a link of the video of the two queen flop in the super high roller cash game.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/07/supe...queen-of-clubs
07-11-2015 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by EasyWin123
I can't believe no one seem this but also the dealer is tapping his foot to the player at the beginning of the video in 002!.. How could no one see this?. Also why in the world the other guy have 2 phones (one in his pocket and the other in on his hand) remember all it takes is one marked deck to use the online tools to cheat with a phone looking device! http://www.pokerlistings.com/blog/ar...analyzer-tools.
Do you realize how long the dealers legs would have to be for him to be able to reach seat 5's legs without being obvious? He would have to have 6 foot legs for that to happen
07-11-2015 , 01:36 AM
For me it looks like he is fixing his watch and then decides to pick up the deck but notices the watch isn't properly fixed. But oops, the deck happens to be in his hand. Then he understands that others might have seen the bottom of the deck which now happened to be the ace. Because of that he is nervous and just starts to mix the deck.

For why he is picking up the deck, maybe it's his habit or just reflex etc.
07-11-2015 , 01:47 AM
it's so strange some posters are fooled by the dealer fiddling with his watch while watching the video. he's doing that to distract people in real-time, i doubt even he expects anyone to think that's the result of innocent boredom with the result of a video replay.
07-11-2015 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Olomes
For me it looks like he is fixing his watch and then decides to pick up the deck but notices the watch isn't properly fixed. But oops, the deck happens to be in his hand. Then he understands that others might have seen the bottom of the deck which now happened to be the ace. Because of that he is nervous and just starts to mix the deck.

For why he is picking up the deck, maybe it's his habit or just reflex etc.
Except he's not picking up the deck. He's picking up the muck. He should not be picking up the muck for any reason other than to collect the muck at the end of the hand.

      
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