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03-14-2015 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sevencard2003
its 100x more easier to angleshoot hiding big chips than $100 bills, and the $100 bills are much easier see from the other end of the table--this is wonderful news for angleshooters and cheaters
This makes absolutely no sense - if it was easier to angleshoot with big chips, the angleshooters could already do this.
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03-14-2015 , 04:09 AM
definitely happy to see this happen. always hated winning a big pot in like a 50/100 or 100/200 game and needing to decide if i was going to count down the banded piles of bills the guy passed me and loosely imply that i think he's a scumbag or just eat the risk of being shorted up to $1k.
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03-14-2015 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ike
definitely happy to see this happen. always hated winning a big pot in like a 50/100 or 100/200 game and needing to decide if i was going to count down the banded piles of bills the guy passed me and loosely imply that i think he's a scumbag or just eat the risk of being shorted up to $1k.

The bar has been raised!

Let's call this a first world problem.
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03-14-2015 , 05:22 AM
Cash plays in Tunica, nobody has any, but it plays none the less...
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03-14-2015 , 05:48 AM
i always hated when people were using cash. its nice to be able to top up without needing to get chips but very hard to understand what stacks are.

i hate having to ask in a hand how many bills someone has.

i think this is somewhat good new.
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03-14-2015 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Tall
You are forgetting what is likely a main reason, it is safer to have all chips at the table. I have been at a table, in Vegas, where someone reached over a shoulder, grabbed the cash, and dashed. (And got away with about $2400.)
I've seen this too, twice. Once, the dude got caught heading for the poker valet and said some line about his buddy told him to grab his money for him and he "thought" this was his buddy's stack. Bellagio returned the money to the player and tossed the thief, but there was no legal consequence.

The other time dude made the getaway and even though about 10 of us in the high-limit section knew his name, and he was obviously on video, Bellagio did next to nothing to find him and my buddy never got any money back (about 6k). I sh*t you not, though, the poker room gave him a meal comp as that was the "best" the poker room manager was able to do.
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03-14-2015 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
This makes absolutely no sense - if it was easier to angleshoot with big chips, the angleshooters could already do this.
They do. Try the $500-1500 at Commerce where stacks of $100 white chips appear and disappear as needed.
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03-14-2015 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
nothing says efficient money laundering like transacting $100 bills in front of countless security cameras.

the government is a dumbass but this will probably make live poker games smoother.

the only thing left to worry about is people palming big chips as an angle. i wouldnt be shocked if 5/10 and 10/20 outlawed everything above $100 chips. big chips are so popular in the bigger games that something like that is bound to happen.
This makes a ton of sense/would be great.
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03-14-2015 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ike
definitely happy to see this happen. always hated winning a big pot in like a 50/100 or 100/200 game and needing to decide if i was going to count down the banded piles of bills the guy passed me and loosely imply that i think he's a scumbag or just eat the risk of being shorted up to $1k.
If you're that concerned about it, just bring a small/accurate digital scale, quickly flip through the bands and weigh them out. I really think this an issue of the government not having enough currency denominations, not one of the casinos not having enough rules.
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03-14-2015 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Adebisi
If you're that concerned about it, just bring a small/accurate digital scale, quickly flip through the bands and weigh them out. I really think this an issue of the government not having enough currency denominations, not one of the casinos not having enough rules.
it wouldn't even save that much time, but using a scale definitely would be eccentric enough for them not to take offense that i didn't trust them.
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03-14-2015 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
nothing says efficient money laundering like transacting $100 bills in front of countless security cameras.

the government is a dumbass but this will probably make live poker games smoother.

the only thing left to worry about is people palming big chips as an angle. i wouldnt be shocked if 5/10 and 10/20 outlawed everything above $100 chips. big chips are so popular in the bigger games that something like that is bound to happen.
I have witnessed over two million dollars of cash dropped by one guy at a roulette wheel in the Bahamas and hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash dropped by one guy* at a blackjack table in Vegas (he poured it out of a gym bag). So, yes, it does or it least did happen rather openly. Never seen that much cash changed at a poker table at a casino, probably because having more than ten witnesses/observers is not the most circumspect way to do things.

*guy in these examples is a euphemism
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03-14-2015 , 07:59 AM
In the bigger rooms like Aria the chip runners often take forever. I always get my own chips when I start off a session because I'm tired of waiting for them. Looks like I'll just have to buy some extra chips in case I start off losing.
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03-14-2015 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Oh_4Q_Man
In my experience, this is not true. I have won 100 bills before while playing at foxwoods. I have only seem 100s converted when change was needed (the player bet 50 and tossed 100 bill in).
Its the policy 100% of the time at every game. You just had a lazy dealer, or maybe a dealer rack that couldn't break the amount bet. They've had this policy ever since Mohegan poker room got shut down years ago by FBI for money laundering concerns. (Mohegan reopened years later.)

Btw this policy also eliminated chip runners at Foxwoods because the dealer racks are now stacked with sizable amounts. Downside is it requires more fills.
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03-14-2015 , 09:40 AM
players that steam tend to grab a stack of bills from their pocket and put them on the table after getting busted or losing a big hand. if they have to buy chips they tend to just buy the buyin amount. so in effect less money lost for the other players to win.
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03-14-2015 , 10:34 AM
Funny how this is happening now. As someone who has preferred having cash on the table in the past, I was planning to play chips only on my trip next week. I was a bit bothered on my last trip with having to count bills in bigger pots. Other players being able to see multiple stacks of black chips is much easier than having to count a stack of bills. While some will say it slows things down, if you have any doubts about a players stack size, just ask the dealer for an official count. It's up to you to protect yourself.
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03-14-2015 , 11:00 AM
i can't wait to whip out a scale at the table
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03-14-2015 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ByronSiren
Cash plays in Tunica, nobody has any, but it plays none the less...
If they start allowing cigarettes and breakfast buffet passes to be used as currency then the Tunica games are going to rival Macau for action.
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03-14-2015 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
players that steam tend to grab a stack of bills from their pocket and put them on the table after getting busted or losing a big hand. if they have to buy chips they tend to just buy the buyin amount. so in effect less money lost for the other players to win.
I think the more important issue though is how often they get frustrated by waiting for chips when they are steamed up and decide to leave when normally they could grab a wad from their pocket and not miss a hand.
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03-14-2015 , 12:56 PM
Easier for people to go south with a wad of bills. When they take a break or go eat they usually take the cash and leave their chips, hardly anybody makes sure they put back the amount they left with.
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03-14-2015 , 01:32 PM
Foxwoods has cash in play and it is supposed to be converted immediately upon coming in play. I have never seen it not immediately converted.
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03-14-2015 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kazor
Foxwoods has cash in play and it is supposed to be converted immediately upon coming in play. I have never seen it not immediately converted.
I saw high stakes game in the last year or two that was played with stacks of bills at Foxwoods. It is a losing bet to ever say something never could happen in the Foxwoods poker room.
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03-14-2015 , 02:31 PM
You could purchase several islands in the Caribbean with what is sitting in the Bellagio and Aria poker room safe deposit boxes so why are they worried about cash at the poker table. Considering how the Feds are so concerned about CTR's there will probably come a time where every buy-in and cash out is recorded at the poker tables by using a players club tracking card. Not much different than what takes place at the World Series when you buy-in a tournament. I believe that pressure from the government the casinos are keeping a closer eye on all table games and cage cash outs than ever before. It's mostly under the guise of Homeland Security but the real reason is for the IRS to have more knowledge of people trying to hide cash from them.
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03-14-2015 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabadu
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Are you joking? How many times have you been passed counterfeit bills? This new rule is NOT good for players or for the game. I have played thousands of hours in games with cash on the table and have only seen someone angle with smaller bills under some hundreds once. I have seen big chip angles several times.
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03-14-2015 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ike
definitely happy to see this happen. always hated winning a big pot in like a 50/100 or 100/200 game and needing to decide if i was going to count down the banded piles of bills the guy passed me and loosely imply that i think he's a scumbag or just eat the risk of being shorted up to $1k.
This is silly. I have never been offended when someone has counted down a rubber band and I do it every single time and have never had anyone be offended when I did. Why would you worry about anybody who would get offended for that?
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03-14-2015 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
players that steam tend to grab a stack of bills from their pocket and put them on the table after getting busted or losing a big hand. if they have to buy chips they tend to just buy the buyin amount. so in effect less money lost for the other players to win.
100% agree with this...
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