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04-16-2011 , 10:37 PM

#76

intheireye!

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It is illegal?

Can you show me the law that specifically addresses individuals gambling online....and the criminality of such behaviors?

Im not saying they do/dont exist, but I would like to scrutinize them for myself.

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04-16-2011 , 10:40 PM

#77

ALPAllstar20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by intheireye!

I'm not sure... that's what I'm trying to figure out. Basically Cereus is saying FU to the DOJ and continuing to operate. Obviously it may not be the best to play on there but is it illegal for US players to play there if we already have money on the site?

04-16-2011 , 10:40 PM

#78

Halstad

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Originally Posted by ALPAllstar20

I apologize if this has been asked or addressed already... but as it stands now is it illegal for us to play if we already have money on Cereus or is the law still the same regarding the processing of the transactions to and from sites like Cereus? Do I have to worry about someone from the DOJ busting down my door if I want to play a couple sngs?

Playing on Cereus right now is as much as crime as it was a week ago.

04-16-2011 , 10:47 PM

#79

News777

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Good luck to people playing on UB. This reminds of a couple days before Neteller was frozen and people said everything was fine. UB is freerolling you. You are not freerolling them.

04-16-2011 , 11:04 PM

#80

wild will

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Halstad

Playing on Cereus right now is as much as crime as it was a week ago.

which is to say it's not a crime at all. it has never been against the law to play online poker and it's still not.

04-16-2011 , 11:10 PM

#81

TomVeil

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Originally Posted by News777

Good luck to people playing on UB. This reminds of a couple days before Neteller was frozen and people said everything was fine. UB is freerolling you. You are not freerolling them.

So?

Edit: Is it better to be able to play with your money or not to be able to play with your money?

04-16-2011 , 11:11 PM

#82

knef

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Halstad

Playing on Cereus right now is as much as crime as it was a week ago.

This

Friday events did not change legality of playing poker online (UB or not)

What they did change is that it might be very hard for US players to depost/withdraw

04-17-2011 , 02:00 AM

#83

knef

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OMG_LadyGaga

Its pretty amazing that this thing has actually run for so long non stop with excellent quality. We get to see every hand, get table talk, no commercials, live, etc. At a time when poker seems to be dying, we should appreciate what we're getting here cuz we might not get much more tv content in the near future

??? What thing? Cereus? Only superusers get to see every hand.

04-17-2011 , 02:02 AM

#84

TomVeil

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I think he(?) was talking about the big PP game getting streamed.

04-17-2011 , 02:05 AM

#85

OMG_LadyGaga

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TomVeil

I think he(?) was talking about the big PP game getting streamed.

lol yep good call tomveil. Epic misclick, obv just got home drunk and viewing 4 threads at once. Epic fail by me

rigged

04-17-2011 , 02:06 AM

#86

OMG_LadyGaga

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and its SHE!!

04-17-2011 , 02:07 AM

#87

OMG_LadyGaga

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it really really sucks that theres no poker to play ugh....i wanna drunk donk off so badly right now!! lol

04-17-2011 , 02:09 AM

#88

TomVeil

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Originally Posted by OMG_LadyGaga

and its SHE!!

That's why I put the (?), I wasn't sure.

The tables are **** tonight. Not many players, although they are still soft.

04-17-2011 , 02:12 AM

#89

valee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OMG_LadyGaga

Probably the latter.....but it'd probabaly be in their best interest to just do a trace on all processed payouts and get them back into acct asap

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllBlackDan

Who is going to want to deal with Cereus payouts when they will likely have the world police on their ass quicker than you can say Usain Bolt?

Those kind of posts are beginning to scare the s*** out of me. I have money money on Absolute and I'm Canadian so I can withdraw if I want but I also plan to keep playing a lot on this website, therefore I'd like to know if there is really serious chances that Cereus will ''steal'' our money in the future or if they will get arrest etc. I know that some of the people who talked trash about Cereus do not know what is it they are talking about but I'm still worried.

04-17-2011 , 02:13 AM

#90

ElevenGrover

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TomVeil

So?

Edit: Is it better to be able to play with your money or not to be able to play with your money?

No, its better not to support the people who pierced the trust placed in the online environment by players. I would think with your somewhat large post count you might have seen one or two of the posts about it. Or is it now alright to support felons who ass-raped players just because they are one of a few diminished options?

04-17-2011 , 02:13 AM

#91

Fermion5

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i don't get how AP/UB can continue to let americans play, but not deposit/withdraw. One of the two has to change pretty soon or there will be no one playing.

04-17-2011 , 02:13 AM

#92

OMG_LadyGaga

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TomVeil

That's why I put the (?), I wasn't sure.

The tables are **** tonight. Not many players, although they are still soft.

I dont want to play until we figure out what is going on. It would suck to play and play and play only to find out we are screwed out of our money anyway.

Plus i grinded quite a bit on FTP and Stars as well, and its very disheartening that i can even get on and play there. And Merge has the softest cash games by far imo, still got some money on there but just in such a crap mood about this poker thing makes me not wanna play at all ugh

04-17-2011 , 02:24 AM

#93

TomVeil

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Originally Posted by ElevenGrover

Well luckily for me, Uncle Sam is looking out for me so that's the only place I can play.

04-17-2011 , 02:25 AM

#94

TomVeil

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fermion5

i don't get how AP/UB can continue to let americans play, but not deposit/withdraw. One of the two has to change pretty soon or there will be no one playing.

Yeah it will take a few days to get another sham processor set up imo.

04-17-2011 , 02:26 AM

#95

TomVeil

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fermion5

i don't get how AP/UB can continue to let americans play, but not deposit/withdraw. One of the two has to change pretty soon or there will be no one playing.

It's also fairly likely they just shut down withdrawls to stop panic run imo.

04-17-2011 , 02:33 AM

#96

Fermion5

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Originally Posted by TomVeil

It's also fairly likely they just shut down withdrawls to stop panic run imo.

i thought they stopped withdrawals because the money was confiscated by the DOJ. Isn't that why FTP/Stars stopped withdrawals?

04-17-2011 , 02:36 AM

#97

TomVeil

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fermion5

i thought they stopped withdrawals because the money was confiscated by the DOJ. Isn't that why FTP/Stars stopped withdrawals?

There's no indication that's actually the case.

04-17-2011 , 02:37 AM

#98

jman217

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OMG_LadyGaga

I agree, I can't bring myself to play without the peace of mind of knowing that I will be able to cashout my winnings. Hopefully absolute can resolve this issue soon.

04-17-2011 , 02:38 AM

#99

OMG_LadyGaga

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fermion5

i thought they stopped withdrawals because the money was confiscated by the DOJ. Isn't that why FTP/Stars stopped withdrawals?

No, as far as we know nothing has been seized as of yet. But the withdrawals stopped because the processors are what got them into this mess to begin with. I agree with tomveil that it will take a few days or a week or two to set up new processors that are still breaking the very same laws they were before, but will do a better job of not getting caught.

04-17-2011 , 02:38 AM

#100

ElevenGrover

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When it seems you've seen everything, a 2p2 mod obv acting only in his own self-interest has taken it upon himself to go hog wild shilling for *******s. I guess you just couldn't wait for this day, huh?

I guess they probably wouldn't dare cheat now, they obviously have too much to lose... wait, what?

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