They've been restricting table max based on avg decision time for like 3-4 years already.

Ban HUD one time pls, lets play some poker without help of softwares

It is not about huds only, but also shared databases. I like play zoom aside of mtts to kill time but I cannot, after few sessions all regs know how to play with me and on low limts are like 70% of players regs. Huds are cancer for poker.¨
I know I can do it also, but it is not poker but some computer statistic game.

It is right other way, rooms will have stats and they can catch bots, but for bot rings it will be harder to make correct stats (either to hide bots or read players).

thats a decent idea. fwiw, idc either way about supernova elite stuff (imo most guys who grind almost exclusively for rakeback are too lazy/emotionally immature to put in the hours in the lab to learn how to really crush a particular format/variant), and i feel very strongly that the entire industry would benefit tremendously from making games anonymous and getting rid of full tables and waitlists in the lobby view. the cheating issue is solved when you can download all the HH you've played with full hole cards exposed after the fact. it's also super nice (and fun) to be able to look back at hands to see if you made the right decision, whether youre a grinder or a rec player.

What is this thread all about - stars banned huds or what ? link to official info?

Good. People that need the help of huds will actually have to play poker. Well done.

Bovada already exists. I never look back at past decisions. Looking at a hand in isolation is too results oriented. If I make a fold and I'm wrong, it doesn't mean it's a bad play. I have the confidences.
It's based mostly on what DN said. Then some picture that wasn't given a source. Then quoted past the first post and within the first 75 is a detailed looking PokerStars written thing, again not linked. In the changes to the VIP system, Mathew mentions that HUDs will be looked at and to be replaced with in house stuff so there will likely still be HUDs so idk why everybody's up in arms about this. There's a chance it's just a rumor but not a very good chance.

i've already pointed out that this exists on bovada, and idk why you're talking condescendingly about being results-oriented, as if i don't grind for a living, or as if that has any relevance to the fun aspect or the issues being brought up

I'm saying that not all see it as a plus to play in that environment. I wasn't trying to be condescending so, my bad.

how is it not a plus? the games are anonymous (the practical "insight" gleaned from looking back at hands, in a vacuum, is minimal at best) and human nature is to be curious/inquisitive

i guess a better question is, how is that feature a net-negative for any player?

I feel very strongly that I totally agree with this

The only thing I would add to the Bovada anon model is that players must choose a screen name for each day of cash games or for each individual MTT. they can keep using the same one if they want, or change each time.

I find really it hard to rem Player #487 vs player #478 while playing a MTT. and 1-6 as names for cash games is just really cold and sterile.

make that change and anon tables are perfect, but even without that they are still best current solution by far

I agree removing HUDS for the game is good for the games...

if they can enforce it


My computer illiterate friends can get a HUD working on Bovada, which has also banned huds.

If stars can't enforce an equal playing field where no one is using banned huds, then all they're doing is giving a different group of players a new advantage

FYP

choosing a name for a day complicates the anonymous issue a bit tho, as when multi-tabling you would be identifiable by your nickname. i think the static players #s that bovada does is definitely the best way.

for example if i play a session in the morning with "PTLou", and he's some mega whale , i'm gonna be on the lookout for him, or at least more likely to sit with him, when i'm table selecting for a later session, even if he changes his name to BIGDICK420 the next day.

you're naive if you think eastern europeans won't have illegal huds the following day huds are banned and amaya's incompetent security won't catch them.

You are looking at this in binary terms. I'm saying there's an equilibrium or "happy medium" somewhere which includes a pool of regulars and Pokerstars probably haven't figured out where that is.

Havent played on Pokerstars in years (U.S lol) but this was so obvious if you all didn't see it coming you aren't nearly the sharp hustlers you probably thought. Obviously most will probably raise the stakes now and lower the volume or not but, the whine definitely seems to need some cheese at this point.

Also I wonder what the results would be of a completly HUD/Softwareless American vs. 'Eastern Euro' winning penny botter would be.

Would the 'terrible' American players Stars lost really get carved up by some Eastern Euro penny botters because some of them seem to think the U.S is the softest players in the world lol its funny to read that sentiment. Of course some peoples results will be affected, but others will be benefitted. its not nearly as much a net-loss some are clearly trying to make it out to be.

The sky really isn't falling either, lmao...

They don't even need a hud. Cheats can just display the same player data on a separate computer as they are doubtless doing with the charts PS banned recently. The only effective way of enforcing this kind of measure is to scrap hand histories or to make the players anonymous (and that might mean sacking their PS pros !).

Maybe you just chose your words poorly because if you actually think that banning huds would equalize skill between recs and pros, you're delusional.

One of the biggest issues I've noticed with Anon poker are the Hit n runners. They constantly jump in and out of games maybe playing 1-2 orbits. It creates kind of a crappy guessing game every time a new guy joins the table. If you had a name for a day, it would eliminate this.

it's not a problem tho because jumping in for 1-2 orbits and being readless just like their opponents doesn't give them any kind of advantage.

edit: after posting this i realize that datamining allows people to jump into a game and not be completely "readless", but the EV of sticking around and playing a lengthy amount of time at a good table far outweigh any miniscule EV you gain from hit and running a couple bb in an orbit, and anyway it's not even something that i notice happening often (or care about, for that matter) in the games i play

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what is this anon nonsense?!?!

you know who you are playing live. people dont ware masks or made to close their eyes.

what is wrong with "playing the player"

that is what everyone seems to be fighting for anyway! why on earth would you want to play a random player. takes all the ego out of it.

and lets face it, thats all you guys want to be able to "make reads" and call a certain players bluffs, how exactly is this going to happen if you are playing "player x12322"