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02-28-2018 , 05:37 AM

#151

DC-

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Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 1

f4ckthesystem, heartflower, hect0r2, bonobo700, marzipan5, steelf0il - 100% bots, just look at they stats

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 02-28-2018 at 05:54 AM. Reason: Removed link.

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02-28-2018 , 05:43 AM

#152

DarkS1d34l1f3

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 26

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Originally Posted by DC-

f4ckthesystem, heartflower, hect0r2, bonobo700, marzipan5, steelf0il - 100% bots, just look at they stats, link

Yes, they are bots. Do they play up to NL50 right?

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02-28-2018 , 05:55 AM

#153

Bobo Fett

Carpe Diem

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,426

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Originally Posted by DC-

f4ckthesystem, heartflower, hect0r2, bonobo700, marzipan5, steelf0il - 100% bots, just look at they stats

I'd suggest posting an image - not real comfortable with a brand new member posting a download link.

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02-28-2018 , 05:59 AM

#154

Fishtankz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6,410

I could have a look at their stats if you get in contact with me.

skype: fishtankz
(temporarily)

Real REAL shame if bots exist at 50nl. They are already tough enough at higher limits.

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02-28-2018 , 08:26 AM

#155

SpinMeRightRound

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 2,723

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

No, not always. If you're profiting from the game, that actually seems pretty foolish. And of course I mean profiting in the sense that you feel you're +EV at the game, not just that you're on a heater.

And please don't get me wrong - this isn't one of those ridiculous "Who cares about the bots as long as you can beat them" posts. I always argue against those assertions. Yes, you should report the bots. And I can absolutely understand people refusing to play on a site they believe is riddled with bots, and letting them know that's why you're doing so. But if you've decided you're OK with playing on a given site, and are at a table that is profitable, are you really going to get up from such a table when you think you're playing against a bot? It's bad enough that the bots exist in the first place, but when you allow them to force you into -EV moves like leaving profitable tables, then the bots have really won.

Thanks for the detailed reply. Yes I suppose an exception can be made if you're at a table with 4 bots + 1 whale, or 3 bots + 2 fish etc. If there is quite clearly an edge even with the bots, it would be foolish to move. But if there's no clear and obvious edge to be had (emphasis on clear and obvious), you have to stop playing that bot-filled game (and you'd be amazed how many regs have poor table selection and continue to bash out huge volume in -EV games).

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02-28-2018 , 08:29 AM

#156

SpinMeRightRound

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 2,723

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Originally Posted by Fishtankz

I could have a look at their stats if you get in contact with me.

skype: fishtankz
(temporarily)

Real REAL shame if bots exist at 50nl. They are already tough enough at higher limits.

Wait, what?? No offence, but you don't realise the extent of the bot problem if you think they don't exist at 50nl.

Bots exist right the way down the micros and have for years.

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02-28-2018 , 08:33 AM

#157

Mohsen

adept

Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 774

I think I saw some of them at 20NL as well, not a lot though
One or 2 that I was suspected I am sure they are not bots now
But still , there are 3 or 4 that I know (not 100% sure yet.. Lack of sample size)

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02-28-2018 , 08:47 AM

#158

mirage01

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,151

Id say more bots exist at micro because its cheaper for botters to make easy money. 10nl is full of bots on acr and party poker for years. OP living in a bubble lol.

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02-28-2018 , 09:11 AM

#159

Fishtankz

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6,410

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound

Wait, what?? No offence, but you don't realise the extent of the bot problem if you think they don't exist at 50nl.

Bots exist right the way down the micros and have for years.

It's my personal belief that good bots should never be allowed on lower limits, as they can totally crush winrates for regs.
It's like going to the Rookie chess club and not realizing you are playing vs Kasparov.
Good bot can be miles ahead of 20nl reg.

It's not fair that you program a bot with your 3000+ hours of poker experience, and then make it play vs beginners.

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02-28-2018 , 10:53 AM

#160

SpinMeRightRound

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Originally Posted by Fishtankz

It's not fair but sadly it happens. Much easier for bots to go undetected at micros. If you put a bot in 2nl-50nl games, there's very little chance you will get caught. 100nl and up becomes more risky. Micro games on ipoker are more or less bots vs bots.

I agree with mirage. You have been living in a bubble if you don't think this has been going on for quite some time.

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02-28-2018 , 11:17 AM

#161

Fatboy54

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 3,876

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It's not fair that you program a bot with your 3000+ hours of poker experience, and then make it play vs beginners.

Hands down one of the weirdest statements I've read on here. In my country operating a bot is a criminal offence as it will almost certainly entail a false ID which on a UK/EU facing site is a money laundering offence (which gets you up to 14 years) and it is also potentially conspiracy to defraud....basically you knowingly breach poker online T&C (which usually prohibits the use of AI, or bots if you prefer) in the UK, you can get hammered...

https://www.cardschat.com/news/darre...-and-fine-9426

Don't know about where you come from, but generally, in the first world, we don't expect our criminal fraternity to behave fairly.

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02-28-2018 , 05:44 PM

#162

hitman4hire

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,083

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound

Bots have been active at midstakes NL for a long long time...The only reason I play I-Poker is because even at 5/10 HU there are player who will drop 20 BI like the good old days.The problem arises when the network will take zero action to protect player and are complicit for rake in this scam.

100% I was botted at midstakes 6 - max PLO by short stackers, HU NL I will only play a player full stacked hence the refund.

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02-28-2018 , 05:53 PM

#163

NINzent

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 924

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Originally Posted by Fatboy54

And this is exactly why I want sites to ban eastern european countries. The players can relocate, but the botters? It would be a huge risk.

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02-28-2018 , 09:07 PM

#164

SpinMeRightRound

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 2,723

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Originally Posted by hitman4hire

Well yeah they're active at midstakes too, but regs are more clued up at that level, so at least such matters get exposed in the public domain more frequently.

Many regs seem either naive or oblivious to this whole issue, which I am amazed by. It's not only bots, it's also players who use real-time assistance software.

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02-28-2018 , 11:57 PM

#165

Mohsen

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 774

IMO most of good "Bots" are not actually Automated machines. They are humans using real time assistance. Based on the fact that they do play differently vs each player and they adapt pretty well aftet having sample size on someone and see some showdowns.
Most bots I've seen on my tables (mostly in Chico network) are over aggressive on flop and turn and aggression goes way dowb on the river BUT after awhile they start bluffing some rivers vs specific opponents who catch on to their flop and turn tendencies that they normally don't do vs unknown and population.
Doing this 100% automated needs a lot of processing power I assume...

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03-15-2018 , 06:20 PM

#166

DarkS1d34l1f3

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 26

New **** thing with bet365 software: on the past few days lot of times got 'lost connection' message, software closed and lost all my seat. When i came back a botty face got my seat on juice tables. I am pretty sure my internet connection was perfect all the time.

After few weeks it seems none of the accused nicks are disappeared.

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03-17-2018 , 12:29 AM

#167

hitman4hire

adept

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,083

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound

Hence why I will never play stars High..Money is money that is all i set out to do and it rolls..In all truth there are only 3 sites I play, Stars is not one of them.I play Asia and they want 40% what can you do?Balls are tied I stay loyal to my sites and always reap...Like the skim we know what they do but the lesser of the evils....

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03-22-2018 , 12:14 PM

#168

rewrew

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 152

Recently started playing on iPoker after no poker in a long time. I have picked up the 6-Max Double or Nothing games. Noticed some players seem to be in a large number of my games, checked their stats and they are putting in pretty huge volume. One in particular, played over 20,000 in the last 12 months at the $5 and $10 levels combined. Winning player too.

Sick individual or bot?

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03-22-2018 , 04:28 PM

#169

SpinMeRightRound

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 2,723

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Originally Posted by rewrew

Either a bot or an Eastern Euro grinder.

The double or nothing games on Party are similar. I checked the stats of all regs on Sharkscope at $11-$55 DoN games on Party, and I couldn't find a single reg who was winning pre-rakeback.

I find it hard to imagine a human would play 1000's of games month in month out, to make $3-$4 an hour at best. I would completely lose my mind if I did that. Who could actually do that? That's akin to modern slave labor if you ask me (self-inflicted slave labor as well!).

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03-22-2018 , 11:50 PM

#170

Mohsen

adept

Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 774

I believe it ia most likely bot.
BUT, it's not like what you said.
There are a lot od countries that $4/h is a very decent income in there! Including where I live (it's 5x the minimum wage!) and as you mentioned, Eastern Europe has similar situation..
So does a lot of Asia...
But yeah bots are there for sure...
And as it turns out, no one cares either!!

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03-24-2018 , 10:39 PM

#171

VeryBadThings

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 419

Red is reg (or malfunctioning bot).. or some new kind of exploiting recs!?

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03-25-2018 , 08:52 PM

#172

siebenacht

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,610

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Originally Posted by Fishtankz

Bolded part is something new for me

I think it's quite ridiculous that you should refrain from sending further information regarding the botting situation. Makes them look pretty shady.

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05-24-2018 , 04:06 PM

#173

ARCANGEL0

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Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 2,799

Anyone saying there are no inside house bots at ipoker needs a reality check.
On their terms and conditions says that if there is an overlay they'll use house bots to fill in the blanks.

There is a thread about it. Go find it.

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05-24-2018 , 09:44 PM

#174

Bobo Fett

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,426

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Originally Posted by ARCANGEL0

There is a thread about it. Go find it.

Or you could just link us to it.

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05-25-2018 , 06:31 AM

#175

rewrew

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 152

Would that be:

https://williamhill-lang.custhelp.co...tail/a_id/6719
10.1.1.4 in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy automated players ("Bots")(whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre-programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming, although we will not use Bots without making such usage clear to You. We can categorically confirm that We do not deploy Bots in our Poker software and will take active steps in conjunction with our software providers to prevent their usage by any users of the Services;

From this thread
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-bots-1108249/

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