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Old 10-03-2011, 10:38 PM   #1
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William Hill (iPoker) - Support confirmed use of bots?

Ok serious questions;

Do Bots play MTT's?

How do you spot them?!

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Edit/MH: Conclusion of thread: Bots are used by William Hill in casino games, not in poker games.

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We would like to take this opportunity to publish the network's policy and stance on automated "bots" being used on iPoker.
We are sorry that it took us a while to compile the statement as we had to put a focus on our investigations first.

Our policy is clear:

1. A poker account is to be used exclusively by the registered account holder and the use of any automated "bots" is prohibited.

2. In all cases where iPoker security department is satisfied that an account is being used in any other way than by the sole registered account holder the account is closed.

3. This is done in every case regardless of how much rake the account has contributed, and forum posts that suggest iPoker ignores "bots" because of the rake they generate are very much wide of the mark.

The network's security department regularly checks suspicious accounts at all stake levels and is freezing accounts for failing our "bot" testing procedures, as well as taking firm measures towards affiliates of such "bots" rings.

The integrity of the network is our highest priority and it is essential that players know they are in a secure environment. We will always investigate any account that we suspect of using "bots" and if the members of the iPoker network have concerns over particular accounts we request to receive these concerns and inquiries for investigation.


With regards to "bot771107" we can categorically state that the account is not a "house bot". iPoker, nor William Hill, do not and never have used house bots. The account in question is not a William Hill player.
With reference to the William Hill terms and conditions, the confusion has been caused due to their Terms & Conditions for skill games allowing "bot" players not being explicit. They have now rectified this.

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Old 10-04-2011, 10:30 AM   #2
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William Hill (iPoker) - Support comfirmed use of bots?







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10.1.1.4 in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy electronic players (known as robots, and whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre-programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming although we will not use bots without making such usage clear to You
http://williamhill-lang.custhelp.com...p?p_faqid=6719




Source (german): http://de.pokerstrategy.com/forum/th...90#post9954690 and http://de.pokerstrategy.com/forum/th...user=0&page=36
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:00 AM   #3
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Re: William Hill (iPoker) - Support comfirmed use of bots

Maybe the bots' SNs, when/if used, will be "bot", as stated; not something like "bot771107", who looks like a normal player with a "clever" nickname?

What did Support say when you e-mailed them?
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:34 AM   #4
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Re: William Hill Poker - Support Thread

the first screenshot shows support admitting that this specific sn is an in-house bot
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:35 AM   #5
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Re: William Hill (iPoker) - Support comfirmed use of bots

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Maybe the bots' SNs, when/if used, will be "bot", as stated; not something like "bot771107", who looks like a normal player with a "clever" nickname?

What did Support say when you e-mailed them?


The Support confirmed that the player/SN "bot771107" is a official bot by William Hill!
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:59 AM   #6
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Re: William Hill Poker - Support Thread

The live support confirms that the player "bot771107" is a bot.

Translation of the red frame on the right:

Player: Is the player "bot771107" a bot?
Laura: Yes (he is); and he is also marked as one (a bot)

Really big scandal imo.
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Old 10-04-2011, 12:46 PM   #7
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The live support confirms that the player "bot771107" is a bot.

Translation of the red frame on the right:

Player: Is the player "bot771107" a bot?
Laura: Yes (he is); and he is also marked as one (a bot)

Really big scandal imo.
Agreed. My bad.

Missed that bit because a beer bottle was in front of my screen.

That's not good. A lot of players would think he was an ordinary player in a big tourney like that, dressed like that, and chatting and joking with other players.

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Old 10-04-2011, 12:58 PM   #8
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Re: William Hill Poker - Support Thread

These bots are also playing Cashgame!

HoldemManger NL50 FullRing of the bot "bot771107"





Furthermore there are lots of other bots (those are probably not official William Hill Bots, and not yet banned from playing on ipoker!!):


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Old 10-04-2011, 01:01 PM   #9
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

This pretty much sums up the current state of online poker imo.
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:04 PM   #10
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

Does this mean that the bot is playing over the entire Ipoker network or just the William Hill tables?
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:14 PM   #11
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

Guys we have threads like that almost every week. It has been confirmed that Ipoker do allow bots and from what we see here they create their own bots too. That's their shaddy policy and they dont plan to change it. I don't see the point cause there were at least dozen thread like that and yet there is no change and Ipoker even doesn't seem to care to respond to allegation.
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:16 PM   #12
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

William Hill is pathetic.
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:23 PM   #13
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

Wow, please tell me this isnt' a trend that will continue to other sites. So, the site can now deploy bots that have a fair shot at the prize pool? LOL

BTW, atleast they show you which ones are the bots now. iPoker has been a bot haven according to what I've found Online. There are commercially available bots(not going to provide the name and give them free advertisements) where I know a significant amount were actively 'botting' on iPoker.

I really hope no other sites follow suit. How are more people not concerned about this? The site now has a chance to win a portion of the prizepool on top of their guaranteed profit of Tournament Fee's and Rake!

Edit: This is the first I've heard of this, so if I'm missing something, please let me know. What has the poker communities reaction been to this?
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:32 PM   #14
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

If I played on an iPoker site, I would check this behaviour with the licenser. Then I would check the legality of this with the authorities in Gibraltar. I would want a refund of any money I lost to a bot. But before that I would cash out and play on an honest site.
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:40 PM   #15
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

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If I played on an iPoker site, I would check this behaviour with the licenser. Then I would check the legality of this with the authorities in Gibraltar. I would want a refund of any money I lost to a bot. But before that I would cash out and play on an honest site.
Completely agree. It seems shady to me. iPoker has long been a bot haven from my understanding and limited research on the issue. This seems to confirm what a lot of people suspected, that iPoker turned their heads to the illegal bots for a long time. Now they are simply employing them on their own.

Would definitely be Cashing Out if I was playing on iPoker.
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:49 PM   #16
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

wow
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:58 PM   #17
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

I'm amazed at how little reaction from 2+2 this is getting.

Pretty awesome how William Hill is trying to spin their bot use, though, as if somehow having a bot taking up a seat is better than having an overlay.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:08 PM   #18
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

How is this any different than regular casinos employing shills? Altho I kind of feel like if they were going to have in-house bots to get games going, they should at least have the courtesy of programming a break-even bot, rather than one that is crushing all the customers.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:09 PM   #19
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

this is shocking. this should be x posted.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:09 PM   #20
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

well, if the bots can make good conversation I can see how it's somewhat acceptable. srsly though, if they all play the same stats then they're not targetting any player in particular, so they can't be very good.

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Old 10-04-2011, 02:10 PM   #21
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

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If I played on an iPoker site, I would check this behaviour with the licenser. Then I would check the legality of this with the authorities in Gibraltar. I would want a refund of any money I lost to a bot. But before that I would cash out and play on an honest site.
what about ev where you are knocked out by a bot

how the **** do sites openly get away with this. pretty sure wh and other sites are just guys sitting around lolling while counting piles of cash, prob smoking cubans

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Old 10-04-2011, 02:20 PM   #22
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

(I really hope this turns out to be a hoax)

So the rake's not good enough for them and they use bots to rake in even more? I don't care what they put in their T&Cs, this is rigging.

OLP is getting shadier by the hour - seemingly relentless examples of cheat, after scam, after theft, after scandal. Though I abhor the riggie argument, it's easy to understand how they arrive at the conclusion that every site must be bent.

It's really about time something was done to improve the integrity of the game before the tossers and their shills destroy the whole industry and take the game down with them.

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Old 10-04-2011, 02:25 PM   #23
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

omfg !

Ipoker-Support: " You are not allowed to be at the same table with your own bot as you have access to two hands and is a form of collusion"

xxx: "not at two tables i mean if i sit down and run my bot an look at it?"

Ipoker-Support " There should not be a problem with that"



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Old 10-04-2011, 02:34 PM   #24
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:40 PM   #25
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Re: William Hill - house bot in MTT confirmed

WOW, I should tell my friend about this, he's about to join an ipoker skin. is this just skin or network wide?
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