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08-25-2010 , 09:01 AM

#376

Transa

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lol at riverboatking and daliman itt.

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08-25-2010 , 09:26 AM

#377

Chump Change

EuroBBVSuicideKing

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 13,005

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinz

I didn't know you are old.

He's young at heart.

08-25-2010 , 09:32 AM

#378

Chump Change

EuroBBVSuicideKing

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 13,005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chump Change

People have always thought it was fake, they just never made a big deal about it. Ben didn't present the graph for any negative or fraudulent reason, to offer coaching or get stakes (*wince) or the like, in fact he didn't even seem do it to deride his opponents (lol look at these fish). He almost offered it in passing, so people responded in kind. Plus it's known he IS a good winning player, so it might even seem like splitting hairs (you ONLY won 4 mega, not 8, but woteva).
Now due to the issue of why such a big winner would need staking, regardless of whether people feel it's plausible or not, it has people talking. Unless i'm mistaken this is the first time it's REALLY ACTUALLY came up.

p.s. In a high traffic area outside of his well

p.p.s. All this isn't necessarily my opinion, just my observations over the years.

08-25-2010 , 09:44 AM

#379

Chump Change

EuroBBVSuicideKing

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 13,005

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben wb

Who are you referring to? As far as I can see, nobody in this thread has really said any more than "it looks suspicious", seemingly because of what they see as a lack of variance and the variance has already been shown to be normal for that winrate.

...

Just to be the devil's advocate for a second, "true winrate" is a totally abstract concept. The bold illustrates the huge "chicken or the egg" problem with the whole business. This might make no sense and that's probably my fault.

08-25-2010 , 10:01 AM

#380

Chump Change

EuroBBVSuicideKing

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 13,005

Also, and this is really splitting hairs and advocating that ol' devil: Nobody should ever actually BELIEVE any graph is real... I mean, I personally believe them all, but that's all to due a gentleman's agreement as well as a leap of faith on my part. But if we're being totally impersonal and objective, it's just an easy doctored digital image of an easily doctored database. It doesn't actually PROVE anything. So, it's a weird situation where "of course I believe it, 100%, what reason have I not to" can coexist with "of course I can't truly believe it, it's just a silly picture".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Transa

heard of multi quote chump?

Last edited by Chump Change; 08-25-2010 at 10:19 AM. Reason: say wha

08-25-2010 , 10:13 AM

#381

Transa

banned

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,012

heard of multi quote chump?

08-25-2010 , 10:13 AM

#382

zinc2zinc

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 365

Quote:

Originally Posted by jungleman

k, no idea why you are disrespecting me, seriously what the ****? In BG's shoes if I knew myself to be legit (assuming he is), I wouldn't exactly want to just chill on hardly any evidence backing myself up while the rest of the forum tears me to pieces. For 10+ pages he hasn't said a thing.

I guess your math(s) is better than your English?

08-25-2010 , 10:27 AM

#383

d0nk3y

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,185

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhidow

grundy made 8mio in 300khands mostly on euro sites at plo

Benyamine made over 11Mio (with his 2 names) in under 250k hand in plo, and thats only on FTP vs the biggest names

so whats wrong with all the jealous haters here ?

Well said, add Ivey to that list of people that made/makes ridiculous amount of money vs number of hands played.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Transa

lol at riverboatking and daliman itt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by insidemanpoker

this thread is a train wreck. why the hell do people care THIS much, my god, this crap is getting old.

Jealous haters gonna hate.

08-25-2010 , 10:46 AM

#384

Transa

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chump Change

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08-25-2010 , 12:10 PM

#385

WutRUTryin2Hit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Daliman

I'll admit, his PTR is quite perplexing(if that's even him, not 100% sure it is), but I at least know he knows his stuff, which can't be said for most in this thread.

It's not perplexing. If people say things really forcefully, even angrily, enough, people just tend to give them credibility. This is how FOX News works. RBK keeps telling everyone how dumb they are, so everyone goes "oh ok he is smart".

RBK plays high stakes and is friends with other high stakes players, he even makes videos, and people just give him credibility because he is so forceful and vehement in all his NVG posts. People, like you Daliman, nuthug the hell out of him because he plays HS and is friends with Krantz/etc. Then after 3 years of nuthugging you see his PTR but you can't believe it's even definitely him because you already decided that he is "RBf****ingK" and is awesome.

And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against him, I am just pointing out the phenomenon. If anything I think NVG should embrace RBK, he posts here more than any other HS player I can think of and by his constant state of anger and outrage he has proven himself to be just as much... no... MORE emotionally invested in NVG than pretty much anyone out there. Combine this with his PTR and he is pretty much king of the NVGtards imho.

08-25-2010 , 12:27 PM

#386

Flip-Flop

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,169

^^
Yep, it doesn't get more NVG then:

Quote:

Originally Posted by riverboatking

LOL at anyone believing that graph is real.
and double LOL at ben coming in to assure us all its legit.

That's a runaway from home rebel teen talk right there.

He seem very sure it's a fake graph because...well... some HS friends of his told him it seems so, that was his statement later lol.
NVG threads deliver every single time on all fronts.

Last edited by Flip-Flop; 08-25-2010 at 12:33 PM. Reason: F U grammar

08-25-2010 , 12:33 PM

#387

Lana_Lang

old hand

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,988

LOL some sick burns itt !

08-25-2010 , 12:34 PM

#388

Transa

banned

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,012

Quote:

Originally Posted by WutRUTryin2Hit

Possibly one of the greatest lol posts I've read.

Custom title for RiverBoatKing...

"King of the NVGtards"

08-25-2010 , 12:38 PM

#389

MALDOROR2007

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WutRUTryin2Hit

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA post of the mother****ing year!!!!!

08-25-2010 , 01:04 PM

#390

demon102

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LOL that made me actually read that whole post. Nice.

08-25-2010 , 01:28 PM

#391

SmokeyQ123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WutRUTryin2Hit

LOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

08-25-2010 , 02:35 PM

#392

soapdodger

adept

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,079

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lana_Lang

LOL some sick burns itt !

yup, some people are too angry and self-righteous to see that there is a bigger picture, let alone look at it.

and nice post by DesperadoGM.

08-25-2010 , 03:47 PM

#393

spino1i

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,713

in before RBK posts some sort of sick graph trying to prove PTR means nothing

08-25-2010 , 03:55 PM

#394

super_dave31

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,235

yeh im not getting whyhe needs staking

08-25-2010 , 04:04 PM

#395

cambo1001

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by super_dave31

yeh im not getting whyhe needs staking

FFS! he doesnt need staking! as hes already said it was a throw away comment! who wouldnt take a 75/25 deal with no risk when you have a ton of money tied up and doesnt want to risk going bust playing nosebleeds?

08-25-2010 , 04:18 PM

#396

meltdowncity

adept

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 966

did it ever occur to a lot of you people maybe he just likes to be on a stake? Not that hes just a busto scammer? Standard 2+2, looking for the most dramatic outcome possible all the time.

08-25-2010 , 04:18 PM

#397

ItsOnlyChips

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Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,230

To give some perspective on the money that could be made at PLO ~5 years ago:

madcow once had $220k at 25-50PLO and $300k at 40-80PLO at the same time

(sickest thing i ever saw). It was not unusual for multiple people to have $50k-$70k stacks.

Prima network had biggest games on the net at the time and they would run regularly (also had 200-400NL which was also biggest NL game).

08-25-2010 , 07:14 PM

#398

POB666

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,207

To be honest I dont know why everyones so puzzled about why Jungleman feels the need for a Grundy to defend him self in NVG; The clue is in his avatar.

08-25-2010 , 08:02 PM

#399

Yeasayer33

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by POB666

To be honest I dont know why everyones so puzzled about why Jungleman feels the need for a Grundy to defend him self in NVG; The clue is in his avatar.

LOL!