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07-21-2023 , 07:09 AM
Interesting. Whites make up 60% of US, so generally it's more likely to be white. Ya'll race conscious folks are good guessers though ... according to census just over 50% of Jackson's are "black".
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07-21-2023 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by L0LWAT
How the **** does "Officer Jackson" sound black? What's wrong with you people?

Texas is the wild west. Stand your ground law means who ever lives is innocent. The card rooms operate in a legal grey area in a city with new development in uninsurable flood zones .... in a corporate captured state that has it's own power grid and has tried to secede.
Agree 100%. The way some people's minds work is just head scratching.

I guess that's what makes playing poker so profitable tho: f'd up thought processes.
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07-21-2023 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
I dont know why the poster found his race relevant, but heuristically Id agree "Officer Jackson" is likely to be black.
There’s Samuel L Jackson

So he’d be Officer Jackson. There’s also Michael Jackson. 50 cent and Ice Cube’s real last names are Jackson

I hope the he recovers soon and gets money to help his family though

Last edited by ScotchOnDaRocks; 07-21-2023 at 10:40 AM.
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07-21-2023 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by brianr
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-16” Nope, you’re wrong according to actual FBI statistics and not Bloomberg or MSNBC or whatever nonsense bias media report you want to cite.
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07-21-2023 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-16” Nope, you’re wrong according to actual FBI statistics and not Bloomberg or MSNBC or whatever nonsense bias media report you want to cite.
Not only that, other sources point out the fact that the majority of gun deaths in rural areas are suicides whereas cities are homicides.
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07-21-2023 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by brianr
Did you happen to read the article you sent? It’s behind a paywall for me so I suspect you didn’t and just ran with the headline.
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07-21-2023 , 10:58 AM
20 bucks an hr to defend the gates of hell
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07-21-2023 , 12:12 PM
Sad situation. I have often thought that these types of situations would happen in Texas.

If you're looking to blame anyone, blame the state of Texas for allowing the gray area card rooms to operate.

People try to rob casinos all the time, but perps usually know that casinos can respond with more firepower and that often deters many of the would be criminals. Then you have grade A morons like the Bellagio biker bandit.

However when you have a strip mall joint like the one pictured in the article, protected by contracted security, it just seems like these places would get targeted sooner or later.

If you're going to have poker establishments in Texas, some sort of legal framework, requiring X amount of security, along with security protocols, etc. I know that this sucks out the economic element of this alleged poker club scheme in Texas that are not supposed to have an economical element, but casinos are the model for how to deal poker in America. Having ample security, trained EMTs, tactical response teams. Auditable security protocols. Experts on site to monitor situations.

It seems like that should be standard in places that handle this much cash.

There are casinos in some states in the United States where you will see uniformed police on the property. Caesars/MGM/Wynn vegas casinos have tactical response teams that you'll see on the casino floor.

Maybe it's security theater, maybe its justified.

I have always thought that it was irresponsible for Texas to allow the gray area rooms to operate. Regulate this with experienced gaming operators or shut it down completely.
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07-21-2023 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ejames209
According to the article, the robbery happened at around 6am. Who is even awake to do something like that? Not the first thing I think about when I wake up at crack of dawn.
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Originally Posted by BustedNuts16
Folks like that tend to keep odd hours
One of the famous quotes attributed to Casey Stengel came in the wake of learning that one of his players had a car accident at 5 o'clock that morning. His response: "He was either up pretty early or out pretty late."

I always related to this quote, as the majority of time I'm awake at 5-6 a.m., it's because I'm still up from the night before and not because I work up early. In fact, quite often the crack of dawn is a "oh damn, I'd better turn in" reminder.
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07-21-2023 , 04:42 PM
WHY is race a problem? The poor guy needs help!

Bageled
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07-21-2023 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
WHY is race a problem? The poor guy needs help!
Okay, first you admonish this thread to stop making fun of him, which no one was doing.

Now you're asking why race is a problem, when it's not. In fact, it only came up because someone guessed his race, to which the response was how race is irrelevant. It's clear that people agree that it's NOT a problem. Even the handful of people discussing how that came up at all likely agree that lending this man some support would be a great gesture on the part of the poker community, and I can't imagine any of them would decide whether or not to donate based on the color of Jackson's skin.

Oddly, you were the one making assumptions. You guessed on his wages, as if a higher hourly makes his situation less sympathetic. You guessed on his marital status and whether he has children, and you assumed he must be the provider of the family. ("If Mrs. Jackson brings in $100K a year, then it's okay that Mr. Jackson got shot," said zero people in this thread.)

If you're truly adamant that "the poor guy needs help," then do this:

As noted above, the security guard is employed by God's Armour Security (https://godsarmoursecurity.com/). The phone number is (713) 878-9984. The CEO is Tommy Wilson. Perhaps you can find out updates on Jackson's condition, maybe info on what financial burden he faces because of this incident, and whether or not there is a crowdfund where people can donate. In since you're also the person with direct experience in law enforcement, perhaps you can best advise Mr. Wilson on better protocols and procedures that will prevent security officers from finding themselves in similar situations.

It's very admirable that your first instinct was to think about the well-being of this unsung hero. You were arguably the first to show concern for him. The rest of us were discussing crime statistics, how poker rooms are underserving their patrons when it comes to security, and the effect these incidents could have on legalizing vs. prohibiting poker rooms. You said above that you're "begging" for people to help, yet right now we don't really know the level of need here, nor are there direct means by which people can send financial assistance. So stop begging, and start doing.
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07-21-2023 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Okay, first you admonish this thread to stop making fun of him, which no one was doing.

Now you're asking why race is a problem, when it's not. In fact, it only came up because someone guessed his race, to which the response was how race is irrelevant. It's clear that people agree that it's NOT a problem. Even the handful of people discussing how that came up at all likely agree that lending this man some support would be a great gesture on the part of the poker community, and I can't imagine any of them would decide whether or not to donate based on the color of Jackson's skin.

Oddly, you were the one making assumptions. You guessed on his wages, as if a higher hourly makes his situation less sympathetic. You guessed on his marital status and whether he has children, and you assumed he must be the provider of the family. ("If Mrs. Jackson brings in $100K a year, then it's okay that Mr. Jackson got shot," said zero people in this thread.)

If you're truly adamant that "the poor guy needs help," then do this:

As noted above, the security guard is employed by God's Armour Security (https://godsarmoursecurity.com/). The phone number is (713) 878-9984. The CEO is Tommy Wilson. Perhaps you can find out updates on Jackson's condition, maybe info on what financial burden he faces because of this incident, and whether or not there is a crowdfund where people can donate. In since you're also the person with direct experience in law enforcement, perhaps you can best advise Mr. Wilson on better protocols and procedures that will prevent security officers from finding themselves in similar situations.

It's very admirable that your first instinct was to think about the well-being of this unsung hero. You were arguably the first to show concern for him. The rest of us were discussing crime statistics, how poker rooms are underserving their patrons when it comes to security, and the effect these incidents could have on legalizing vs. prohibiting poker rooms. You said above that you're "begging" for people to help, yet right now we don't really know the level of need here, nor are there direct means by which people can send financial assistance. So stop begging, and start doing.
Great post, he thinks he’s an everything bagel fresh out of oven, but he’s a week old stale plain imo

Let’s see if he rises to the challenge
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07-21-2023 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
I’m just going to say this after a 20 year career in law enforcement. That Security Guard was probably being paid about $13-15 an hour to encounter an armed robber AND end up being shot for his life in the balance. I don’t know for sure, but he is probably supporting a wife and children. *IF* there are Poker Players here THAT can afford to help in his recovery, I’m begging you for your help. I don’t know him from Adam, but I do know what they go through on a day-to-day basis. Instead of making fun of him, help out.

Bageled
Sounds like a perfect Go Fund Me page but I know very little about those and could not get the money to him if I did.
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07-21-2023 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tokyo!!
NYC ranks as consistently one of the safest large cities in the world. Rate stats are more insightful than bulk stats.
Overall yes. But parts of NYC (like parts of subway system) the rate is much higher. Definitely need to look at per capita but bulk also enlightening. Like the other day a talking head referred to a good weekend (might have been one night) in Chicago when only 5 were shot/killed. Even were that NYC, it would be reminiscent of the 70's.

But I definitely agree, you don't rate the entire state of TX based on a single crime in the largest metropolitan area of the state. Houston has PLENTY of issues, but I would not even rate Houston based on this one crime in one small type of business (with no proper regulation). Heck IIRC, where this happened is not a bad area and I am not going to suddenly call it a bad area. Then again, I don't plan to play poker in Houston. Frankly this MIGHT be good for my poker but even so I would not want it to happen no matter how much I might benefit.
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07-21-2023 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
I’m just going to say this after a 20 year career in law enforcement. That Security Guard was probably being paid about $13-15 an hour to encounter an armed robber AND end up being shot for his life in the balance. I don’t know for sure, but he is probably supporting a wife and children. *IF* there are Poker Players here THAT can afford to help in his recovery, I’m begging you for your help. I don’t know him from Adam, but I do know what they go through on a day-to-day basis. Instead of making fun of him, help out.

Bageled
Armed security pays $13-$15? Assuming that's accurate you'd make more working at Target.
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07-21-2023 , 10:26 PM
There’s probably more total crime like this at regulated east coast casinos but the major casino PR teams and localities getting tax revenue are better at burying the stories. When you factor in the police presence, security, and surveillance at a place like MGMNH near DC and they still have people held at gun point in the parking garage, you realize how safe it is comparatively in Houston with 2 rent-a-cops at a strip mall card room.
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07-21-2023 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Lionelhuttz
There’s probably more total crime like this at regulated east coast casinos but the major casino PR teams and localities getting tax revenue are better at burying the stories. When you factor in the police presence, security, and surveillance at a place like MGMNH near DC and they still have people held at gun point in the parking garage, you realize how safe it is comparatively in Houston with 2 rent-a-cops at a strip mall card room.
Getting mugged in a parking lot is faaaaar different than having four active shooters try to brute force a casino’s bank
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07-22-2023 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by amazinmets73
Armed security pays $13-$15? Assuming that's accurate you'd make more working at Target.
A year or so ago I talked to a police officer who was working as an off duty security officer in my city and he said there is an app where companies can hire security personnel and each offers a different salary. Without me asking he said what the range of pay was and I remember thinking it was more than I thought. If I remember correctly all the jobs were over $50/hr, but maybe I’m misremembering. This guy was working a church picnic that had 8 blackjack or beat the dealer type games.

He was black, but I don’t know if his name was Jackson. Evidently that is relevant to some itt.
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07-22-2023 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
In fairness, Houston is known for its high crime rate and it isn’t fair to paint the whole state with the same brush. Much like Chicago doesn’t represent all of Illinois or NYC doesn’t represent all of New York.
NYC and Chicago have smaller crime rates than some southern states that are closer to third world hellhiles than civilized countries.
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07-22-2023 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JimL
NYC and Chicago have smaller crime rates than some southern states that are closer to third world hellhiles than civilized countries.
It's not really fair to compare conservative states to the union.
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07-22-2023 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JimL
NYC and Chicago have smaller crime rates than some southern states that are closer to third world hellhiles than civilized countries.
This is so blatantly false I have to wonder why you choose to post it.
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07-22-2023 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
This is so blatantly false I have to wonder why you choose to post it.
New York is the 27th most violent with Illinois at 19.

If DC is excluded (not a state) the entire top 10 are conservative. The same is true for poverty, and health, education ...
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07-22-2023 , 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by L0LWAT
New York is the 27th most violent with Illinois at 19.

If DC is excluded (not a state) the entire top 10 are conservative. The same is true for poverty, and health, education ...
He said Chicago is safer than southern states. Also no one was talking about politics before you but Chicago is the worst place in the US outside of DC and both Chicago and DC are democrat.
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07-22-2023 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
He said Chicago is safer than southern states. Also no one was talking about politics before you but Chicago is the worst place in the US outside of DC and both Chicago and DC are democrat.
Chicago and New York are safer than they've ever been. Chicago is in Illinois which has a lower violent crime rate than Montana. It's not super easy to find granular data, but states dictate policy and Republican led states suffer.
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07-22-2023 , 07:20 AM
No one is talking about Illinois as a whole as its irrelevant to the thread. Its about running a poker room in a larger city.

Chicago is a shithole (and democrat since you keep bringing up politics). https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/chicago/crime
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