Hey guys, first of all let me just point out that this is NOT me trying to be rude/cocky or w/e vs this guy. i watch his streams all the time and i think he is great player.

But last night on stream, one guy showed the graph of him, and its basicly a breakeven grind for last couple of years.

The thing why i am asking this isnt to rub it in his nose or make any conflict at all, he still makes profit with rake back etc, but im curently playing NL 25 and im somwhat breakeven as well, kinda making like 400 $ profit per month.
I realy want to improve, and by making breakeven/loosing plays that i learn from other players wount help me at all.

Also after seeing graphs from some essential run it once coaches , most of them were loosing players in the past year or so. I dont want to put out any names or graphs and i certainly dont want to make sum 1 loose customers , what i do want is for people that pay money and support them , get what they deserve. I dont mind them plying and showing how they do it, it is compleatly different story when they claim they are big winners when reality is compleatly different .

The whole point of me making this thread is to ask kinda simple yet hard to awnser question... Are those players beating the game, and should we learn from them to improve?

Its just so dissapointing for me when im keep comforting my self " thats the right play, winning players do it, its just bad run"

again i deeply apologize if i offended anyone, especialy Ajfenix (think hes a great guy and player ) the things he says about poker makes allot of sense, the question is , how much of that is realy good tho.

He's had some weird stalker in his stream randomly trying to harass him. You wouldn't happen to be him, would you?

As far as I know, poker has been his sole source of income forever.

RIO has a pretty strict coach selection policy, so I wouldn't worry here. However, this argument may apply to some other training sites and coaches.

He seems like a great player, im confident he is crushing the levels he is playing on his stream.

With any coach you need to learn how to analyze the strategies they are suggesting for yourself. Even good players may recommend a strategy that sucks.

While this is noble of you, imo you can post things like that as long as you are sure about your info being correct. They can easily defend themself if needed. After all its a business, and if you're paying for something that isn't worth it, you can complain and warn others.

No not at all. my nickname on twitch is AlenB27, i even defended him, cuz like i said, i know he still is winning in poker, but based on a GRAPH ( not some random gossip made by trolls ), most of them are not doing that good. and by not good, i mean they have quite a big loosing period with some random winning sessions.

Some of you know what graphs im talkign about , its some random site where you can check results on all stakes . I was beeing skeptic at first until i requested the guy to show me my graph, which was prety accuarte , maybe some small procentage off... also i now kinda belive it, cause everytime someone ask him to show graph, he has same argument over and over again. I dont show that cause im not short term result oriented. , and thats ok, i agree and support that, but if you realy are winning player, and your telling everyone you do beat the game whats the problem with shoving results then? we dont need to see the numbers, i understand thats private thing. But what this people need to understand is us small players, are beeing some what scamed . They do make ekstra money money, but what they also do is harm players that are learning and trying to improve.

Tbh, i think every coach should prove /show theyr results from past 6 months or so, and not showing some stats 5-6 years ago.in example, This is kinda like overpaying the lawyer that solved 1 big case 10 years ago and has been loosing ever since on court. I mean, be fair to your self and customers, make videos or w/e , but dont lie about the numbers..... its quite big difference when you say you won 100 of tousands $$ when in reality ur up like 2 k....

Its just my oppinion , maybe i expres my self in a way thats hard for some of you guys to understands and i look like an idiot, but atfer seeing all those results, it kinda makes me think that some of sites are hiring bad coaches just to make more fish from which u can earn. ( and yeah im partily kidding )

about RIO coaches, im only refering to essential, i havent checked any of high stakes players since i dont even have ELITE subscription.

this is kinda what im talking about :

Im pretty sure he isnt charging anything to watch him on twitch either. You should not feel conned my man!

If im gona give away FREE pills vs cancer, and will only accept generous donations, everything is ok,..... until sum gets a cancer,and we find out guy was giving away tic-tacs. right? =)

my point is, be your self, dont overreact.
but were gettong off topic here now, im not here cause of Aj, im refering mostly to paying sites.

He can probably spell 'losing' correct which is a huge thing in my opinion.

I'm pretty confident that AJ Fenix is a winning player since he came back to the game, and certainly since he started streaming, whether that means he is actually in profit is down to the poker gods.

He has mentioned a number of times on the stream that he got burned out, or bored, or something of the game and took a long break. It may be that he was just running or playing bad in the run up to that and that is the time period in the graph.

its twitch. you don't have to be a winning player to stream.

How many hands is that graph for? FWIW I think its worth considering researching/questioning/being skeptical if a player is capable of beating the games he's teaching.

Without naming names, I know I was disappointed when I realized I was watching vids for a guy who clearly wasn't beating the games he was coaching (even counting for variance) (the site also had other good coaches however).

I also find OP's insistence that outing people as being bad, yet willing to out someone as somewhat amusing.

I'm an nvg****** speculating but it's also possible he moved up in stakes after his winstreak and lost there, which would have not a lot to do with his actual (or theoretical) winrate at whatever lower stake he plays.

Is AJFenix a run it once coach or just some guy who lets you watch his stream for free?

"I dont mind them plying and showing how they do it, it is compleatly different story when they claim they are big winners when reality is compleatly different"

Is AJFenix doing this?

I know all about this drama that you speak of as I have been watching someone else grind everyday to get myself motivated. The guy who posted those graphs and started all of this talk is a complete troll and probably has some moderate mental issues (just a guess but im being serious). I know this because he is a sub on the stream I watch and he has taken an extreme liking to it. He trolls other poker streams because they don't show results like his favorite streamer does. That's pretty much it.

lol.. the graph is 90k hands (breakeven grind for years??? That amount of hands is one month for anyone grinding 6max decently) from a combination of god knows what over no idea how long (however long this site tracked?) on a site I never really grinded on (Stars), it had my vpip as something very silly on one of the breakdowns..

Poker has been my only source of income for 10 years, I ran at 8bb+ lifetime on sites like UB/Party/Bodog/iPoker/QWPoker etc, a bit lower on FTP but still v good (including fairly recent), I got booted off of two iPoker skins for winning too quickly

Not trying to con you on my free stream. Streaming has been fun but realllllllly not sure if worth.

Here's a bigger sample (5/6ths of it or so over one year), thankfully had 70%+ effective rakeback there so we made 2xx+ k that yr, I keep showing this ******ed sample because I don't have access to much else, but its still a lot bigger of a sample than what the troll is showing

Im not sure if he is lieing or over-reacting with his results. All i know is from what iw heard and saw on my own eyes. So the fact was, he said he earned 6 figure , annother thing remember he said that he and a friend went to holidays where they spend about ~40k in one or two weeks( cant recall exactly).

and again the only reason i made this thread is for somone or even him self to confirm that he indeed is a wining playing and by that token i will for sure donate/support/subscribe to channel which will help me improve. How ever on the other side, why would i want to help sum 1 who is not honest and is only harming me?

I know i dont need to watch the channel or videos or w/e but i would like to know WHY am i watching something. Is it for fun or is it for educational purposes.

best example is stickyr1ce. He has monster winnings and if your new player trying to learn you might just copy that and we all know how would it end.

I hope you guys understand what im trying to say. i apologize for my english, and spelling.

Dunno if this is the place for this. AJ, yoe need better mods. I have noticed how much the trolls distract you and how annoyed you get with them, it's definitely a reasonable frustration but it can all be stopped if you just have some great mods to get those comments out of there immediately.

Surely that is for you to answer?

Why are YOU watching the channel? If it's for education, then take notes, compare it to other players advice, decide what makes sense, see what works.

If its for entertainment, personally, I think it's the most entertaining channel there is on twitch. So its watchable for that alone.

That makes it sound like I think there is nothing to learn but I think that is far from the truth. There is a lot to learn watching this channel.

Alen, I like you how actually ignore my reply. Old 2p2 legend Luegofuego can confirm said Canary island trip expenses. If I didn't make 6 figs I would have starved to death in Vancouver, not been at the Roxy 5 nights a week living in a 2 bedroom downtown :-\ Perhaps you'd like to make sure my jacket is made out of real leather, as well? I wouldn't support someone wearing pleather, personally.

Watched the stream last night while grinding for a few hours, really enjoyed it. Solid music and entertaining commentary. Keep it going, don't let the haters get you down!

All i know AJfenix is a great streamer providing good content without slapping you in the face with advertisements , def best stream on twitch

I have personally seen AJ win lots of money for years.

It is kind of frustrating to see him have to defend himself, as he is not trying to sell anything.
Dude is having fun and giving away golden information/entertainment for free and has to put up with **** like this.

lol people need to show winning graphs to stream on twitch now for free and let people watch for free

I didn't know twitch changed its TOS

Watched him play for an hour or so yesterday.

Dude seems solid as hell.

Plus he said he really enjoys playing live a lot. No doubt a crusher live.

I enjoyed the stream. Never would of found it without the new 2+2 Streaming list.

I don't know why you would even reply to op. Roxy five nights a week etc.

He's not giving it away "for free." There is tons of value to having a popular stream, and there was certainly a cost/benefit analysis that was done before deciding to start this.

Don't understand the hate for OP. Training site coaches (not all) have been making videos of breakeven-at-best poker and relying on credibility from ancient results for many years now, and having the community be aware of this is a positive thing.

"Those who can't do, teach" is a very real concept.

No one NEEDS to do anything. Did you even read the post?