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07-14-2015 , 03:47 AM

#1601

663366

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,937

lol @ Kelly Minkin's bustout hand.. Seriously you could literally grab any hot chick off the street who's never played a hand of poker, teach 'em handrankings, and they wouldn't have overshoved like Kelly did in that spot.

Her depth of poker thinking obviously stops at "I see trips, so I jam 10x the pot because my hand is super-strong".. no idea about what opponents might have, how to get value from their range, let alone what they think she has, ICM payjumps or any other relevant concepts.

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07-14-2015 , 03:47 AM

#1602

AngusThermopyle

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Originally Posted by illdonk

Perhaps it was some sort of coded message to the kidnappers.

Anyway, he just made more money in the last 20 minutes than I've made in the last...much longer period of time.

From what I can gather on Google, he is a physician (Endocrinologist) and "and Vice President of Clinical Research for a biotechnology company."

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07-14-2015 , 03:49 AM

#1603

raheem

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2,235

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Originally Posted by KansasCT

you know he's talking about anton morgenstern, right? cause from what i've seen, he's anything but a nit.
and to the OP, I actually think his 5bet with 78o is worse than the AJ hand. all the money was going in 100% of the times there.

Oh yeah forgot about that...

But I'm not sure if Newhouse would've bet all the chips on the river if Morgenstern had just called turn raise. Don't remember the stack sizes though so idk.

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07-14-2015 , 03:50 AM

#1604

Donk Quixote

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,311

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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

From what I can gather on Google, he is a physician (Endocrinologist) and "and Vice President of Clinical Research for a biotechnology company."

So dude's broke basically, good for him don't risk your tournament life on one pair think about your family

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07-14-2015 , 03:51 AM

#1605

groton

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Originally Posted by 663366

in the end it's a SB vs BB cooler dude.

So lets say she does not over shove makes it 3x the SB bet. the SB then shoves you expect her to fold? I will tell you I'm not folding there unless a pixie lands on my shoulder and whispers in my ear what the other has.

She was expecting to end the hand there.

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07-14-2015 , 03:55 AM

#1606

663366

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Originally Posted by groton

Poker is not about being results-oriented.. it's how she played the hand and her thinking process(as in, none whatsoever) that was involved. It basically portrayed her as being among the worst players in this main event probably.

It's like if someone 6betjams preflop with 32o vs a supernit's 5bet of 70% of his stack committed to call with AA then flop comes A23 can you say "oh well they were getting it in otf anyway"? And I'm not even sure if that's as badly played as Kelly's hand.. probably not.

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07-14-2015 , 03:55 AM

#1607

NickMPK

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Originally Posted by 663366

The pot was about 600k and she had 2M left in her stack. Do you want her to raise/fold 1/3 of her stack?

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07-14-2015 , 03:57 AM

#1608

GoingSouth

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lol nvg idiots

lol all of you cause i love Annie Duke

lol coollers

lol nvg discussing

lol eeeehhhmmm... ehhmm,

lol

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07-14-2015 , 03:59 AM

#1609

okterrific

old hand

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Originally Posted by 663366

Catching up on this thread and man 66 you really hate vaginas huh? The hate must come from lack of familiarity.

Relax buddy.

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07-14-2015 , 04:01 AM

#1610

illdonk

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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

From what I can gather on Google, he is a physician (Endocrinologist) and "and Vice President of Clinical Research for a biotechnology company."

So he probably would have made much more money than me in the last 20 minutes even if he was home asleep.

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07-14-2015 , 04:01 AM

#1611

663366

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Originally Posted by NickMPK

The pot was about 600k and she had 2M left in her stack. Do you want her to raise/fold 1/3 of her stack?

Who said I wanted her to fold? lmao

So everytime you flop trips you just jam 10x the bet hoping someone calls? Or fold? lol nvg...

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07-14-2015 , 04:01 AM

#1612

raheem

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Originally Posted by raheem

Oh yeah forgot about that...

But I'm not sure if Newhouse would've bet all the chips on the river if Morgenstern had just called turn raise. Don't remember the stack sizes though so idk.

Yeah I just watched the footage and unless Newhouse overbet shoves for like 1.3x pot, all the money doesn't go in. And if Newhouse does decide to shove river, there's actually a chance Morgenstern can hero-fold AJ. Certainly Newhouse can't have worse for value when he takes that line.

But I still agree the 87o is really spewy and prolly a worse hand.

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07-14-2015 , 04:02 AM

#1613

sqwerty12

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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

From what I can gather on Google, he is a physician (Endocrinologist) and "and Vice President of Clinical Research for a biotechnology company."

and appears to play poker like one

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07-14-2015 , 04:04 AM

#1614

groton

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Originally Posted by 663366

I get what your saying but like I said she raises the SB then 3bets ether all in or enough to put most of her stack at risk. 4 bet is coming.

note I would most likely had raised out of the BB in that spot.. to just try to take the pot down.

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07-14-2015 , 04:05 AM

#1615

663366

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Originally Posted by okterrific

Catching up on this thread and man 66 you really hate vaginas huh? The hate must come from lack of familiarity.

Relax buddy.

Love em but hate donks luckboxing..

I'm sure there will be more donk plays from the remaining MEN fwiw lol.

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07-14-2015 , 04:07 AM

#1616

JoeDiego

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I don't think anyone is saying that she could have possibly avoided going broke Nick; they're saying that she played her hand in a way that meant she would only ever get called by a better one, ie. she lost all value.

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07-14-2015 , 04:08 AM

#1617

sqwerty12

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Anyway it's probably more a 'end of the day fold' than a 'fold to the pay jump' fold

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07-14-2015 , 04:08 AM

#1618

NickMPK

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Originally Posted by 663366

Who said I wanted her to fold? lmao

So everytime you flop trips you just jam 10x the bet hoping someone calls? Or fold? lol nvg...

So what exactly would you do with her hand? Making a smaller raise that would still commit 1/3 of her stack would be super-suspicious. It would probably only get calls from big draws getting immediate odds, while better hands would just raise, and she would have to call off anyway.

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07-14-2015 , 04:13 AM

#1619

sqwerty12

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That Minkin bust out looks like she was scared he was betting a flush draw and just wanted to end it there

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07-14-2015 , 04:14 AM

#1620

NickMPK

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Originally Posted by JoeDiego

What is she getting value from by raising smaller? It's not like anyone has a pocket pair given the preflop play, and folding out something like a flush draw with a larger raise is probably the better play at least from an ICM standpoint.

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07-14-2015 , 04:16 AM

#1621

AcesAcademic

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Originally Posted by NickMPK

Just flat flop, call Turn and River bets, and if Turn is checked Through just bet repping busted draws? Just really hard to be balanced shoving or raising Flop.

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07-14-2015 , 04:17 AM

#1622

KansasCT

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really can't stand all the pro talk itt. she had a big hand with <40 players left in the biggest poker tournament in the world and maybe, just maybe her nerves got the best of her and she just jammed.
hell, I play for cheeseburger money and I've done the same for a lot less.

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07-14-2015 , 04:22 AM

#1623

NickMPK

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Originally Posted by AcesAcademic

Just flat flop, call Turn and River bets, and if Turn is checked Through just bet repping busted draws? Just really hard to be balanced shoving or raising Flop.

If she thinks the SB has a flush draw a significant portion of the time, she should absolutely prefer to win the pot on the flop and increase her stack by 30% than give a free card and risk busting. That seems like good ICM poker to me. Remember than the SB is also a short stack and probably isn't just going to bluff off a bunch of chips either.

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07-14-2015 , 04:25 AM

#1624

ilikegirls

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Even though Butters is bald as f**k and me and my bros trolled him into banishment a few months ago, I'm still rooting for a DNegs, Munk, and Butters FT...that bald mother f**ker