There's one obvious one: "I actually had COVID. I shouldn't have to expose myself to a hastily developed vaccine".


I'm not really making any comment on the validity of the argument. But it will be used.

There are multiple strains of the flu, it mutates quickly, and with the lead time required to create a vaccine, they are playing a bit of an educated guessing game when they create it. This leads to a vaccine that typically ranges from 40-60% effectiveness each year. But maybe you're right, given that Covid is just like the flu...oh, wait...

That doesn't seem very apparent in the first paragraph of your post.

A 40-60% effective vaccine taken by <50% of the population equals nothing approaching herd immunity. A 95% effective vaccine taken by over 60% of the population (and that's a realistic number IMO) equals a decent shot of herd immunity.

I'd expect it might take a few years to truly wipe out Covid, but it seems to me there's a decent chance that we can get pretty damn close next year. Of course lots could happen between now and then - vaccine isn't as effective in the general population as we hoped, virus slowly mutates enough to reduce effectiveness, slower vaccine delivery and/or uptake sets us back - but I think our outlook is much better than what you suggest. And comparing it to the flu vaccine isn't especially useful.

I thought this explanation was pretty good.

https://twitter.com/wheatnoil/status...137722368?s=24

I am interested in Luckbox's opinion on the vaccine...paging.

Will you be taking it? If not how far would you go to prevent it to be forced upon you?

What's the likely hood that something additional is added into the vaccine for specific reasons?

Well that's 50% of you ****ing droids done for. RIP

Praying for the end of your vaccinate nightmare!

“wait” presumably doing a lot of work here

would also be curious to see exactly how the poll was structured

My guess is 99.9% of HCW will take it in short order

The government being incompetent and the vaccine being resoundingly +eV are not mutually exclusive.

Wow.

you couldnt pay me to take it.

You are in the early stages of a pandemic which has already killed 300,000 people in the US alone and left medical capacity at the brink in several highly developed nations.

Yet you are describing accepting standardized protocols for rolling review as “lacking reasonable intelligence” and vaccines that have been certified as past stage I and II trials (and III ongoing) as “magic mystery sauce”. We saw earlier in the thread that some of your sources were fake news websites, likely made by anti-vaxxers or other actors with ulterior motives.

There is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism, this isn’t it. You are well past “ornery and provocative”.

Mystery sauce and mutants

You left out nano bot trackers and zombie juice

In the past 20 years, a ton of medical research aimed at viruses has been done using still-very-uncommon 'super computers'.....something not at the disposal of J. Salk when he was working on the polio vaccine.

Ten years back then....sure.

Present day.....not so much.

So I take it you tuned into the FDA's public hearing on the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (in which data were actually shown) and are now convinced that they are safe and effective?

I'll take it for $100,000.

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Well, 50 years ago they were clamoring for the Magical Mystery Tour, so the more things change, the more they stay the same.

All the best.

I'm skeptical of drug companies, and the FDA. These are the institutions that brought us the opioid epidemic, and many other things, and they are not completely above ideological bents. However, that's not why I'm not taking the vaccine.

If I were to get COVID, it's extremely unlikely I'd die and/or experience severe symptoms warranting hospitalization. I'm not in contact with many people either (and am not in contact with hardly any high risk people), so it's best to let others get it the vaccine. I don't see the value in getting the vaccine, for the public, or myself.

Of course, let the health care workers and high-risk people take it first. But when it's your turn go ahead and take it. Even if you are one of the low-risk people who are healthy and fit with a strong immune system, the risk of being one of those people who gets the virus and gets hammered is higher than there being some weird side effect that happened to not show up in the vaccine trials but ends up hitting you.

wat

The logic in this thread seems to be that because anti-vaxxers are stupid ****ing moronic antisocial cretins the people reluctant to take or skeptical of the claimed efficiacy of an inadequately tested and excessively rapidly developed vaccine with overstated benefits promoted by institutions as political and discredited as the FDA and the US government are equally stupid. Not good logic.

So basically you agree with the anti-vaxxers but you don’t like their branding.

No. That isn't the logic. Shuffle is ignoring the human consequences of testing vaccines for another 10 years or whatever.

Even if you think there is an elevated risk with this vaccine because of how quickly it was developed, you have to remember that there are no risk-free options on the table.

That's a vast understatement of what he's doing. He's also shitting over basic biology and rejecting the existing science out of hand in favor of scaremongering. He literally claimed the mRNA vaccine trials didn't work, despite abundant evidence to the contrary that was reviewed and accepted by many (perhaps thousands) of independent, relevant experts in the field, not merely that they hadn't been proven safe on a 10 year timescale.

Are people seriously getting their vaccine information from BFI? Good lord.