Lol. At least be honest. This wishywashy nothing statement makes zero claim on the part that is actually "contentious" (it isn't actually contentious except for science deniers, which as a young earth creationist you certainly are). You say nothing about the anthropogenic part, which is the key issue.

It is a little bit like saying "All lives matter". It is trivial and innocuous statement that might be entirely reasonable in a vacuum, but because it is said in opposition to a "controversy" because absolutely ridiculous.

As uke master said, this is very nearly a content free assertion. Does any sane person believe that the climate is entirely static?

I would like to be perfectly clear on my views about the religion of Christianity.

I believe that there were Christians in the past, there are Christians now, and there will be Christians in the future.

(I want to believe that you were being deliberately facetious, because the post is so outlandishly ridiculous otherwise, but I'm pretty sure you've made essentially the same statement seriously in the past and even vaguely recall having pointed out its absurdity before too)

OK, well that settles it.

Let's move back on topic please

My main source on these matters is a friend who is the scientific director of a company that makes vaccines as it's primary business and has some direct experience trying to make coronavirus vaccines in the past (they're too small to get in the mix now). He's cautiously optimistic about what's out there even though he can tell you all the technical issues with each one. But that's not the point. The point is that most vaccines fail for any number of different reasons and the protocols and stages are there for a reason and it adds risk to rush things,more so when politics, not just cash, is involved.

People who don't want to take proven vaccines are idiots. People reluctant to take unproven and untried vaccines are sensible.

Another one looking good:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55228422

^ good but definitely not great.

Reminds me of douglas Adams piece on a spaceship landing in London - huge excitement and a media frenzy ensue.

A few days later a different one arrives - "this time it's red"

liars lie

I mean because the efficacy is at 70% or so, not because it is coming out third.

I know but how quickly a remarkable breakthrough becomes a bit meh. In this case even before it's being used.

Might have been said already but as I see opposition to the vaccine rising I think the key to Vaccine compliance is the private sector and not government mandate.

if a few key Industries (Airlines, Restaurants, Sporting Venues, etc) come out with a Health and Safety policy on behalf of their staff that 'No person who cannot demonstrate up to date vaccination for Covid will be allowed to utilize our service' I think we get enough compliance to hit herd immunity regardless of the few who might be willing to sit out everything in defence.


There is no real argument one could make that 'I should have the right to not take the vaccine and also the right to force myself into private businesses who do not want such exposure'.

A very different argument than 'should the gov't be forcing people to put anything that has some associate and unknown risks in their body'.

I saw a poll on one of the news shows and 40% of Health Care workers want to wait before taking the Vaccine.

FDA expected to grant emergency use authorization for Pfizer vaccine as early as Saturday.

FDA advisers recommend authorization of Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine

That sounds extremely high, and I'd expect a much different result when the rubber hits the road.

Even if the entire country gets vaccinated people with weak immune systems will still contract COVID and will still die. I work at a long term CCRC and the entire community is required to get the flu vaccine and at least 20 residents still die of the flu every year. So will it help, absolutely. Will it make COVID go away, almost certainly not in the near future. This virus will likely kill at least 1000 people a day for the next three years even with a vaccine.

And yes I understand the vaccine was tested 95% effective in healthy individuals but it has not been given to unhealthy or elderly patients and there is a definite possibility that elderly patients may have an adverse reaction to the vaccine such as a cytokine storm which is even more deadlier than the virus itself.

I’ve put enough **** in my body that to worry about the vaccine’s effects would be lol

That said probably not a ringing endorsement when the FDA Chief is under orders to approve by the end of today or resign

I agree as we will have more UK results in

Such a ham-handed move when it seemed pretty apparent he was going to approve as early as today or tomorrow anyway.

This.

Also, health care workers is a very broad category. I would expect a strong correlation of vaccine taking and level of health care education--especially initially, as referenced above.

It is such a stupid thing to do if you want people to believe the FDA is approving it because they have determined it is safe.

But I think Trump wants people to believe 'it was only by his strong hand that it got out, as those 'scientists' would have not done it'.

He is all about that credit.

Watching MTP this morning and another poll

Only 50% of Jackson Health workers to take the vaccine

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...247726355.html

I know of doctors who wouldn't prescribe a new medicine for their patients until it had been around for at least 3 years. This, of course, is not only due to effectiveness but the possible untoward effects, " do no harm".

I don’t have source on hand, but I’ve been told that the benchmark is about 45 days for these vaccines. Not sure what the logic behind 3 years would be, other than than that’s “what they do with new medicines.”

RS

The logic you mentioned is correct and this is of course not all doctors. Its more of a "once bitten, twice burned" type of approach. It can be understood by perusing the tv ads for the latest meds in which they agreeably "tell you that if you die consult your doctor".

This is information on a med called Paxil:

https://www.pdr.net/drug-summary/Pax...oride-215.2678

Peruse the entire body of the med and note the untoward ("side effects") effects ; this is a common thread through all medications . You can search for other meds on the site:

https://www.pdr.net/

The 45 days sounds good but someone will suffer within the 45 days. Can't get into a debate here as I've reached my border of ignorance. LOL

Probably a mistake to assume a covid vaccine will be just like a flu vaccine, particularly because covid is not flu.