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why are they allowed to invite this guy to one of my uni classes at penn law? (University of Pennsylvania)

why do I have to listen to him??
I call bs!

that is the definition of racism.

You have to listen to him? Are you taking a class that said you have to go listen to him?

I deleted the quote as it was just a pure piece of racist propaganda by a well known racist speaker and we arent going to repost that sort of material here. I understand you were giving an example of his racist remarks, but we need ti keep that stuff off.

I am curious. When did he speak at Penn State? Did hespeak to a class or give a lecture to anyone who wantedto attend? Was he invited bythe university or some rightwing group?

I ask bc I see he still speaks at colleges, usually invited some republican or right wing student group. Then it becomes a freedom of speech issue as to whether the school should allow him to speak his racist stuff.

No, I mean if you took a class there and she was your prof you would have to listen to him.
I used "you" so you undertand that you would be forced to listen to this. how is that flying?

I understood that. good call I think. that quote is from the linked article and gives information about this guy. I got outraged, when reasearching amy wax, who invited him to his class. couldnt you sue her as one of her students? why is she not layd off? I mean this is is supposed to be one of the best schools you have there.

and btw that jared talyor himself is allowed to teach english at havard, which is equally unbelievable.

I deleted another post that essentially was a summary of all the racist stuff that was put out at that class. . We don't allow the posting of racist views on the website. Just because you may be quoting a racist speaker and then saying it's bad doesnt mean you can in fact post all that hate speech.

As in 50.1%+ ?
U have any data to support that claim ?

I understand the problem, you should be allowed to post the link at least imo, as it is the opposite of racism, it is to expose amy wax and her racism, somehow you need to explain what she said to undertand the problem.


its all from the website https://abovethelaw.com/ which is a law website. here is their about site:

The website per se is ok. But we don't allow links to articles filled with racist propaganda ,even if the author then says its bad. It's just like not putting it in here. We don't allow anything that facilitates connections to racist material. Anyone interested in digging deeper can easily google the topic and a lot of articles come up about Amy Wax and the Jared Taylor visit.

So a post informing us about Jared Taylors visit to Penn Law and questioning the appropriateness of it is fine. And saying he is a well known white supremacist speaker is fine. We just don't want a listing of his racist views on here.

ok yes that is making sense. apologies, so yes in the same sense I dont think any of the students of amy wax should get forced to listen or be exposed to this stuff. they should have the simliar rules in place, which they obviously do not. so screw pennsylvania state and harvard?

for me yes, that is a clear no go.

add ASU to the list and sign this petition if you can.

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Fire Racist Penn Law Professor, Amy Wax

she would get fired from 2+2 why not here?

https://www.change.org/p/university-...fessor-amy-wax

Ideological racism: The explicit ideology that races exist and that some are superior to others. This idea usually coupled with ideas that a race war is necessary, imminent or unavoidable. Examples would be supremacist views, Nazism.

Explicit racism: Actions taken or words used to favor one race or ethnicity because of preference. Not necessarily hinged on the idea that this and that race are superior, but typically more on dislike of the outgroup. Examples would be nationalism, xenophobia

Implicit racism: Actions taken or words used that create or continue unfair divisions between races or ethnicities. Examples would be the typical difficulties many minority groups face when applying for jobs, renting a place to live, being negatively stereotyped in media etc.

I would say that the word discrimination is often an excellent tool to use for many of the debates that crop on subjects related to racism. It is broader term, less loaded and often more useful. Affirmative action for example, is a discriminatory practice, but it is not a racist one.

What would you think if a black nationalist group somehow took control of the US government and instituted "Affirmative Action" hiring processes which favored blacks over whites: still not racist?

If the motivation is rooted in an ideological view of a race as inferior, as a view that it is necessary or preferable to hold a race down or it perpetuates unfair divisions in society based on race, I say go ahead and use the R-word. Admittedly the last one is so broad that it should be used with care. If you want to be unreasonable when using that one, arguments would quickly become pretty tiresome.

Discriminatory practices are not necessary unreasonable or bad on the other hand. They can be, but it is not a given. For example if you want to be a firefighter, then you need to be able to carry a certain load over a certain distance and walk with it upstairs / climb with it in ladders. This is a discriminatory practice which favors men, but it is not in itself a sexist practice. However, it does not take a genius to see that it could cross that line and be abused as a sexist practice if controlled by the wrong people.

Very useful definitions. Thanks for sharing. Introducing some nuance to the conversation can be quite helpful.

There is too many elements that are imply which isn’t just related to racism .
That is just populism , taking a complex problem trying to simplifying it to a simple conclusion and thinking simple solution exist .

Amy Wax has been an embarrassment for years. She seems to be on a crusade to test the boundaries of the academic tenure system.

I understand the point, and it's fine when we are discussing Amy Wax and Jared Taylor. But sadly, we live in a world in which the occasional U.S. politician says crazy stuff about race. Steve King is an obvious example. How exactly would we discuss such issues if we can't even link to articles in the MSM that mention the comments?

I don't think you know what "populism" means.

This is a an excellent example of why tenure (when conflated with sinecure) is stupid.

If you can't summarily fire someone who is inviting White Supremacists into the classroom, then the system itself is obviously broken.

I hear you. she has got at least 2 problems now:

cancer and disciplinary proceedings against her.
so yea, shes got problems.

the students and staff recorded everything she said and the
new law dean doesnt like her and asks for major sanctions/ termination of her. I woulndt like her either.
never had a prof like her luckily, sorry for the students.

Amy Wax submits memorandum for dismissal of disciplinary ...

http://www.thedp.com › 2022/09

19.09.2022 — The 59-page memorandum claims that Wax is undergoing treatment for “life-threatening” cancer, meriting the postponement of the proceedings ...

Embattled Penn Law Prof Amy Wax, Citing Cancer Treatment ...

https://www.law.com › 2022/09/20

20.09.2022 — Amy Wax has requested that the University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School postpone disciplinary proceedings against her while she is ...

Penn Law dean asks for 'major sanction' against professor ...

https://www.thefire.org › news › p...

13.07.2022 — Penn Law dean asks for 'major sanction' against professor Amy Wax, creating tenure threat for all Penn faculty.

weird that her cancer treatment overlaps with the hearings.

she was already banned from teaching a course here it says.

"Penn Law Dean Ted Ruger banned Wax from teaching a mandatory first-year course."

https://www.thedp.com/article/2018/0...s-philadelphia

that only leaves the question why harvard is/was letting jared taylor
teach japanese in summer school. I mean harvard? cmon!

Jared Taylor - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Ja...

"Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white supremacist and editor of ... He has also taught Japanese at the Harvard Summer School, and worked as a..."

that wiki isnt even correct. he didnt teach japanese, he tought english to japanese students imo. he is fluent in japanese bc he was born in japan and lived there until the age of 16 as the son of missionaries.

JARED TAYLOR Samuel Jared Taylor (born 1951 in Oakton ...

https://vk.com

"Taylor taught Japanese students at Harvard University Summer School. Taylor believes that white people have their own racial interests, and that it is ..."

maybe the wiki is even correct though, the fact that he tought there is the issue, not what.