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01-01-2023 , 04:23 PM

#101

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

So if you know saying things are racist. And your friends do it.

Why did you say they aren’t racist? Are you delusional or something?

Actually, I said that they were racist.

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Originally Posted by shortstacker

I've known people who were definitely racist, but their racism didn't manifest itself by treating anyone differently based on their race. Their racism began in their mind, and basically stayed there.

I'll let others decide for themselves whether or not I am delusional. However, it seems to be the case that you are either delusional or a troll or have comprehension issues.

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If you hate on people based on skin color or ethnicity you are being racist.

That has always been my position as well. And have stated such in this thread.

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If you are a class of people that was made up to serve other humans, an ethnicity made to be sex slaves and robot workers, then it’s fine to be racist against the people that made you

No it isn't.

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Is it ok for the Irish to hate the British? Of course

No, it would not be "ok" for the Irish to hate every British person.

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Is it ok for Palestinians to hate the Israeli govt? Of course

I agree. It is fine to hate the government.

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Is it ok for natives to hate the US govt? Of course

I agree. It is fine to hate the government.

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Is it racist? Possibly. Are they in any position of power relative to the oppressing class? No

Agreed.

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01-01-2023 , 04:30 PM

#102

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Not ok

Ok

Ok

Governments and people are two different things.

Who runs the governments? Dogs? Animals?

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01-01-2023 , 04:40 PM

#103

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Originally Posted by shortstacker

I've known people who were definitely racist, but their racism didn't manifest itself by treating anyone differently based on their race. Their racism began in their mind, and basically stayed there.

Once you said your friends say racist things , it negates almost your entire post here.

Do you understand that or nah

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01-01-2023 , 04:42 PM

#104

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

Who runs the governments? Dogs? Animals?

Yes

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01-01-2023 , 04:44 PM

#105

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

Once you said your friends say racist things , it negates almost your entire post here.

Do you understand that or nah

After you acknowledge that you earlier misrepresented what I said, I would be delighted to continue our dialogue.

(And another thing: I never said they were my friends.)

Thanks.

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01-01-2023 , 04:44 PM

#106

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

Once you said your friends say racist things , it negates almost your entire post here.

Do you understand that or nah

Seems kind of smug when you've just argued it's fine for the Irish to hate the British and equated governments with people.

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01-01-2023 , 04:56 PM

#107

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Seems kind of smug when you've just argued it's fine for the Irish to hate the British and equated governments with people.

So you’re asserting people who genocides have been committed against, should not hate the people that committed the genocide

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01-01-2023 , 04:57 PM

#108

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

So you’re asserting people who genocides have been committed against, should not hate the people that committed the genocide

You're guilty of the exact sort of identity based thinking that leads to racism in the first place.

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01-01-2023 , 04:59 PM

#109

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

So you’re asserting people who genocides have been committed against, should not hate the people that committed the genocide

They are fine hating the people who did it.

They aren't fine hating the people who didn't do it. It's not too hard.

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01-01-2023 , 05:02 PM

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It would be pretty tough being an American abroad if everyone hated me for **** the US government did, but fortunately the vast vast majority of the people that I come across are able to keep governments and people separate.

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01-01-2023 , 05:24 PM

#111

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

So if you know saying things are racist. And your friends do it.

Is it ok for the Irish to hate the British? Of course

No it isn't okay at all whatsoever.

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01-01-2023 , 05:28 PM

#112

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

So you’re asserting people who genocides have been committed against, should not hate the people that committed the genocide

Very glib disingenuous take.

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01-01-2023 , 05:44 PM

#113

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I need to clarify that it’s ok to hate the governments and the people in power that oppress the peoples the genocides were committed against

Nobody should hate anyone based on their skin or ethnicity. I

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01-01-2023 , 06:20 PM

#114

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

This is a good example of racism. You make up a definition of racism and then explain how it doesn’t apply to you

Good catch. Most people fall for it.

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01-01-2023 , 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

Is it ok for the Irish to hate the British? Of course

These are not races, but it's still crazy. Every British person isn't responsible for poor treatment of the Irish. I guess you don't think the other direction is ok? But an Irishman hating an English baby makes perfect sense?

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01-01-2023 , 06:57 PM

#116

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Who runs the governments? Dogs? Animals?

Not me.

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01-01-2023 , 07:04 PM

#117

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Originally Posted by chillrob

These are not races

With the exception of those Sentinelese islanders, they make about as much sense as a race as any other.

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01-01-2023 , 07:13 PM

#118

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

Sure, this is what everyone else has been saying. You specifically said it was ok for one ethnicity to hate another.

If this had been what you said to begin with you would have gotten no disagreement, except maybe to say this has absolutely nothing to do with race. Opposed people will hate the oppressors even if they're of the same race.

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01-01-2023 , 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chillrob

These are not races, but it's still crazy. Every British person isn't responsible for poor treatment of the Irish.

Kinda like how nearly all the world’s Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11 and yet you still hold it against them.

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01-01-2023 , 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Kinda like how nearly all the world’s Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11 and yet you still hold it against them.

Not based on their ethnicity, only if they have the same belief system. I love atheist Saudis. Muslim is neither a race nor an ethnicity, it's a belief system. You may also have noticed that when different people were giving their definitions of racism, not a single person used the words "religion" or "belief system", because those have nothing at all to do with race.

It's exactly the same as hating Nazis but not Germans. Except I don't actually hate Muslims or Nazis, I just think the US would be better off admitting neither. I've also stated that I think the US would be better off not admitting practitioners of any religion.

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01-01-2023 , 09:44 PM

#121

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Originally Posted by chillrob

Not based on their ethnicity, only if they have the same belief system. I love atheist Saudis. Muslim is neither a race nor an ethnicity, it's a belief system. You may also have noticed that when different people were giving their definitions of racism, not a single person used the words "religion" or "belief system", because those have nothing at all to do with race.

It's exactly the same as hating Nazis but not Germans. Except I don't actually hate Muslims or Nazis, I just think the US would be better off admitting neither. I've also stated that I think the US would be better off not admitting practitioners of any religion.

So, roughly 95% of Mexicans seeking citizenship in the U.S. should be denied based solely on the fact that they practice religion?

Certainly seems like "backdoor" racism to me.

Most white Western-Europeans are atheist/agnostic, so at least most white people from there won't have a problem with attaining U.S. citizenship.

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01-01-2023 , 09:56 PM

#122

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Originally Posted by shortstacker

We've already discussed this in the past, including your asking about Mexicans, so I'm not going to further address this, but I don't judge anyone on their race or ethnicity, only on things they choose for themselves. And I certainly don't think they're going to hell for their belief systems, I just would like to have more Americans who believe in science over superstition.

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01-01-2023 , 10:05 PM

#123

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Originally Posted by chillrob

I will not pursue this further.

For our gentle readers not familiar with my prior discussion/debate with chillrob alluded to above: Chillrob has never in this forum (to my knowledge) ever exhibited any racist tendencies toward any race or ethnicity. In other words, I want to make it clear that I am not trying to imply that Chillrob is in any way, shape or form himself a racist.

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01-01-2023 , 11:37 PM

#124

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Not based on their ethnicity, only if they have the same belief system. I love atheist Saudis. Muslim is neither a race nor an ethnicity, it's a belief system.

OK, none of that makes it okay to be bigoted against Muslims or blame them for terrorist acts they’re not remotely involved in.

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01-01-2023 , 11:50 PM

#125

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

OK, none of that makes it okay to be bigoted against Muslims or blame them for terrorist acts they’re not remotely involved in.

You're welcome to have that opinion, but since it has nothing to do with this thread I think we can now let it go. I already knew that you didn't appreciate my views.

Also, maybe you missed it, but in the moderation thread, our new mod has asked that people not bring up old things that people have previously said. I almost just reported your original comment about me; I decided to reply to show how that has nothing to do with this thread, but we've both had our say so let's stop the derail.

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